Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Anarnee]

One problem the Devs have is that when they do release something that even remotely works, Deep Dungeon, Eureka, umm... I'm sure there are other things. The Player base then expects that to become regular content every expansion. Which adds more and more work for the Devs each expansion, which they have kinda done to themselves. Giving them more time per expansion will eventually be necessary if they keep adding new content to the cycle.

I'm kinda on the fence about how I feel about this. I do understand the work load gets bigger, but the budget has also grown by a lot and they're making more money because the player base has grown.

Sure they added more stuff, like Eureka and DD, but don't forget we lost dungeons for those. They cut content to put resources into the new stuff...

So where is all that extra money going, cause with how stretched thin SB felt to me, it sure hasn't felt like it's gone back into the game at times.

I want to have faith in the dev team but most of SB has felt like we're not quite getting as much as HW, so my frustrations started loooong before they decided to genderlock the races.

1500 out of how many active players tho... not rain on anyone's parade as I support unlocking the races but... that doesn't seem like a lot.

Things with less likes have gotten the devs attention before. 1500 is a lot for the forums. I've never seen a tread get this much attention and in that short amount of time.

[Crushnight]

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Quoting myself from another thread:


So we got this in HW:
18 dungeons
7 story trials
7 extreme trials
3 24m raids
12 story raids
12 savage raids
The Feast
Seal Rock
Shatter
LoV
1 instance zone(taken down and revamped at later date)
Hall of the Novice
Garo Crossover
Yokai Crossover
3 Beast tribes
3 jobs
PotD 200 floors
1 custom delievery npc
Anima questline
Aquapolis
Squadrons
Templeleves
Airships
Aertherial wheel
Orchestrian
Flying

In Sb we got:
15 dungeons
9 story trials
8 extreme trials
3 24m Raids
12 story raids
12 savage raids
2 ultimate raids
Astragalos
Hidden Gorge
Mahjong
2 GS gates
Fashion Report
MHW collab
FF15 collab
3 beast tribes
2 jobs
1 limited job
4 instance zones(BA is included with Hydatos so its here)
HoH 100 floors
Doman Reconstruction
3 custom deliveries
Canals of Uzanir
Hidden Canals of Uzanir
Squadron command missions
Submarines
Glamour Dresser
Swimming

So from HW to SB we gained(+) and we lost(-) was:
- 3 dungeons
+ 2 story trial
+ 1 extreme trial
+ 2 ultimate raids
- 1 PVP mode
+ 3 instance zones
- 1 full job
+ 1 limited job
- 100 PotD style floors
+ 2 custom delievery npcs
- 1 Relic questline
+ 2 map areas(we had 1 reskin and 2 additional afterwards)
- battleleves
+ 2 GS gates

Most everything else cancels each other out now these lists do not include every item/mount/minion/msq/sidequests just the bigger features of each expansion(if they were talked about at live letters/shown in trailers as features). As a whole SB has offered more content to players but it did take things away it is whether what was taken away was worth what we gained as a result and that is down to each individual themselves to assess but factually we got more content with SB than HW

TLDR: We got way more content in SB than HW even with the loss of certain types of content, its just down to individuals if what we lost was worth it

[Anarnee]

TLDR: We got way more content in SB than HW even with the loss of certain types of content, its just down to individuals if what we lost was worth it

That's a way to look at it, but a lot of the stuff we "gained" all take resources from the things we lost.

So we lost 3 dungeons, the maps and resources that would have gone into that went into the 3 instanced areas.

In interviews we've been told that Ultimate can happen because it takes very few resources. They don't have to make models etc. I am trying to look at it through the devs terms of how they explain things.

That is why I said "stretched thin"

They took the stuff, and maybe made "more" things, but it's all the same amount of stuff, staggered further apart.

I don't think the list is exactly encompassing what all goes into the content, cause you can't just look at the dungeon as say we lost a dungeon.

The dungeon is a team that worked on the map, music, mechanics for enemies which can be anything from trash to bosses.

Just looking at Eureka the map team was pulled from the dungeon to work on that, and the music Soken makes, and then whoever handled the mechs. Then we get to the next map, the same music was reused, so the music that would have been in the dungeon went to the new trial, etc etc. It's a lot to figure in, but I still feel like even though they're bringing in more money, SE is not putting back in as much as they could.

We also got a new race in HW, so we lost that, the resources to that went into some of that other things, whoever had to modify the gear etc.

Edit: I tried to make a list of items once for myself to calculate that part of stuff when I was first annoyed by it last year but it was really a lot so I gave up.

But I noticed a lot of things like when we got PotD, they gave us a hairstyle + the two we use to get every patch right out the gate.

This last expansion they've taken the hair that we usually get, and put it into content instead. Now I recall them saying that there is a separate team that makes the PVP stuff, so it does not interfere with the PVE. But a few patches ago, they took the hair and put it into PVP... So where did the resources for making the PVE the hair go, if PVP doesn't interfere with PVE? There are a lot of things like that that they've done that make it feel stretched.

[Acesfool]

SE and the devs are not your friends, they are professional working adults like anyone else, if you work in the entertainment industry this kind of thing is par for the course. It's nothing compared to the kind of stuff devs like anthem or even authors of book series or tv series get. Do not try to coerce a lack of appreciation with feeling discontent as a buyer, I can like someone all I want but if they try to sell me something I don't like I'm not obligated to purchase it.

I like the game and appreciate the devs work, I also understand that this game has a lot of issues people have quit over that weren't or are still not addressed, real legitimate issues like job balance, constant east cost server lag and other things. Those issues are just as real as this one for some and just because someone says they'll unsub because of that does not always mean they are maliciously calling the devs incompetent.

Though I will say that SE in my eyes is incompetent as a company for multiple other reasons *COUGHXVCOUGH* XIV not being one of them, and it still astounds me how little they invest back into this games dev team. They're obviously talented people that are passionate about this game enough to deal with it's mess of coding errors with little to no help.

Sorry, I can't take anyone serious if their "real issue" is something that has absolutely no effect on gameplay. I will just keep my fingers crossed that SE doesn't cave on this one.

[Oce]

Sorry, I can't take anyone serious if their "real issue" is something that has absolutely no effect on gameplay. I will just keep my fingers crossed that SE doesn't cave on this one.

Gameplay =/= End game Content
People play and experience the game differently. You and I may be more interested in end-game content, but others are more interested in the social and role playing aspect. And that's still gameplay, even if it's different from how we play.

[Senn]

idk about you guys, but I really wouldn't mind it if we missed out on a dungeon or two just to get male viera implemented into the game. That's just me though. I don't even think the team that works on dungeons are in charge of making races and character customization, but I'm just saying.

[manickitty]

Sorry, I can't take anyone serious if their "real issue" is something that has absolutely no effect on gameplay. I will just keep my fingers crossed that SE doesn't cave on this one.

And what’s your motivation on hoping other people don’t get what they want? Genuinely curious. If it doesn’t affect you at all, why would you deny other people enjoyment?

[Lauront]

Sorry, I can't take anyone serious if their "real issue" is something that has absolutely no effect on gameplay. I will just keep my fingers crossed that SE doesn't cave on this one.

Yes, the game would be so much more fun if it were stripped of anything with no effect on gameplay, like character models, environments etc. and was reduced to a spreadsheet simulator.

[Acesfool]

Gameplay =/= End game Content
People play and experience the game differently. You and I may be more interested in end-game content, but others are more interested in the social and role playing aspect. And that's still gameplay, even if it's different from how we play.

Not necessarily talking about endgame, just things that are actually gameplay. Race selection makes as much difference as what color shirt I'm wearing while I play. It's like buying a car and getting upset because the inside of the glove box is a different color from the exterior of the car.

[Acesfool]

And what’s your motivation on hoping other people don’t get what they want? Genuinely curious. If it doesn’t affect you at all, why would you deny other people enjoyment?

Because it means they're dedicating time and resources to something that isn't important to the function of the game. It doesn't even qualify as a quality of life change.