Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Emmanellain]

I don't need to explain you what's bad in ERP when it comes to an MMORPG; I don't get paid for that even, just know it's bad by common sense.
Like I've said this is a fantasy MMORPG made by some people who made history in SE such Akihiko Yoshida (character designer of FF12, FFT and even FF14 1.0), stop insulting their work with your depravated way to play MMOs.

Okay erm, first off calm down.
Second of, what people mod, and do in their private housing can't really be regulated, sadly. Am i excusing the practice? No, but It's also irrelevant to the topic of this thread.
So why even bother embarrassing the thread by assuming people who want male Viera exclusively want it for such purposes, you don't appear to have an issue with the female variant of that same race literally wearing lingerie as starter gear.
In fact, the armor in this MMO is incredibly conservative compared to any other MMO out there on the market right now, as is the fanservice of the male races.
So what exactly is the issue with a literal male with bunny ears, like seriously, its a previously established race in the FF history, and this is a FF themepark.

[xbahax92]

Going by your own standard, people in this thread basically want Miqo'te male sized Viera (same height to a head shorter than the fem Viera) does this mean you should be considered a creep for playing a literal cat girl? Are lalafels a race for creeps?
Just food for thought.

(ofc you aren't, but automatically making assumptions about people because they want a different height ratio is kinda, rude? like, you're starting a fight when there is none????)

I think we all can agree on a point that small body type != creep. Else many games which involve small male's would be considered weird and in a sense, should actually put off people. But it doesnt.
Here some examples:

Kingdom Hearts 3 Sora:

NieR: Automata 9s:

and especially Blade and Soul, male Lyn:

People are exaggerating with that. While I am also against anything shota-loli related, those requests can be misinterpreted. Anything child-sized is already covered by popoto's, everything else I'd consider a young teenager - best example in FFXIV Alphinaud. Male Miqo'te can look like young teenagers as well, if done right. And imo, we dont need another small race, rather a body type that is elegant, handsome and slim.

[MrKimper]

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Please leave alphinaud alone, he's a boy of only 16 summers.

[BillyKaplan]

Please leave alphinaud alone, he's a boy of only 16 summers.

So is Sora, and I do think 9s was meant to look boyish, so neither are good examples, especially in the context of erp discussion. Granted the age of consent in Japan is younger than in the west, but given the reason why they didn't put MGP awards on Mahjong, those foreign laws would definitely be taken into consideration when they decide how to design male Vieras (or any race for that matter). Especially given they had already cited before we would not receive younger models like Alphinaud because they know people would erp with them.
The question boils down more to - would they be able to design them in that manner and still have them appear mature, as is the case with female Au Ra and Miqo'te. But I think that if they could (or would...), male Miqo'te might've been smaller already.

[Emmanellain]

I think we all can agree on a point that small body type != creep. Else many games which involve small male's would be considered weird and in a sense, should actually put off people. But it doesnt.
Here some examples:

Kingdom Hearts 3 Sora:

NieR: Automata 9s:

and especially Blade and Soul, male Lyn:

People are exaggerating with that. While I am also against anything shota-loli related, those requests can be misinterpreted. Anything child-sized is already covered by popoto's, everything else I'd consider a young teenager - best example in FFXIV Alphinaud.

I agree with that.
Sora, 9S and Lyn are very popular among gamers, and especially the female crowd.
Alphinaud is practically the canon age and has the physique of a typical shounen protagonist. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
So I don't blame people for wanting a short bishie. Personally, I'd prefer their height to fit with the females and then for there to be a slider that goes downward but nothing more than a head shorter.

[Lewyn]

Going by your own standard, people in this thread basically want Miqo'te male sized Viera (same height to a head shorter than the fem Viera) does this mean you should be considered a creep for playing a literal cat girl?

Sorry, I guess I should have elaborated a bit more. The people that want small, shots viera are creeps. I just didn't want to say the word itself, I figured saying so was enough. It creeps me the hell out and I know shotacons are rallying behind Male viera, and sexual dimorphism for them to be small. It makes me sick that they'd be taking advantage of a situation like this so they can demand sexualized little boys. Makes me sick and angry.

Also, weren't people angry about the sexual dimorphism with Au'Ra? Why are they demanding it now? Why is it okay now just because it's males?

[VyelChuChu]

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That's a really presumptuous generality to make. Sure there are probably disgusting, horrible creeps who want that but there are plenty of people in this forum alone who have given other, reasonable reasons.

For example:
Rabbit males are smaller irl, modeling races based off animals and keeping their traits in mind is a part of developmental creation.
It's an opportunity to turn sexual dimorphism on its head in a very solid way
The idea of male viera being very territorial and fierce and smaller is a wholly unique and intriguing combination

I would absolutely hate if male viera are made so cute that it looks shota-like and its a fear I have about that. But I've been reading this thread for a LONG while since the early pages and to generally state that those who want smaller viera are creeps who just want them cute and shota-like is massively incorrect.

[Gwenorai]

I agree with that.
Sora, 9S and Lyn are very popular among gamers, and especially the female crowd.
Alphinaud is practically the canon age and has the physique of a typical shounen protagonist. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
So I don't blame people for wanting a short bishie. Personally, I'd prefer their height to fit with the females and then for there to be a slider that goes downward but nothing more than a head shorter.

Can you slap these characters in questionable clothing and then engage with innuendo with them? Or do all of the above during RP that some folks are subjected to? That's the issue some folks have, I believe. I honestly have no desire to take part in that, but it will happen. It happens with the lala's it will happen with any other race - it's still bad. But I agree with you if there's going to be more dimorphism then how you described it is something I can be happy with.

Bah, I don't understand why folks want dimorphism when instead they should be asking for an update in the character creator in regards to height scales for all races. Sexual dimorphism sucks, it sticks people into a certain body type that in some regards doesn't suit the character at all. We should be asking for more options in the creator not to shoehorn people into a specific body type. Or that the females/males should have the same height ranges - just have the scale be a little vaster.

I hope it's the first that race where both genders match in height and the two of them basically have the same height ranges - where the average height for both is the same.

Also, the au'ra dimorphism is idiotic and should not be repeated. Like yeah, it's not that the females are stupidly small - it's the fact the males are so very very tall.

[Lacan]

I just know they let girls date Ken (a grade school student) in P3P. :v They changed it in the West to just be a one-sided crush on Ken's part, but in Japan it was a full on romance like any of the others. So I guess there is an audience for this sort of thing at least in Japan?

I don't even try to pretend I understand women so I'm not gonna judge. I'm too gay for that.

[VyelChuChu]

Sexual dimorphism can be turned on its head without making the male viera disgustingly shota, simply having them be shorter in general would do that! It'd be nice to see simply because its breaking the norm of character design. Even in a way that mirrors irl rabbits - which I had no idea that male bunnies were smaller!