Mark of Tanaka

[darkstarpoet1]

omg, this thread is awesome.

people follow yoshi like sheep and praise his every move. he makes a move someone doesn't like and it gets thrown up that it's tanaka's fault. this is not tanaka's fault and honestly i don't believe alot of the issues are yoshi's fault right now. my personal opinion on the game right now is that the man above them was the cause of the problems in this game atm. i could be wrong and i freely admit that, but i feel most of the decisions being made are coming directly from wada and both yoshi and tanaka before him are just doing his bidding.

i don't think any producer in their right mind would have released the game in the shape it was in on release unless it was forced from higher up. i also don't think the changes that have been made to mages would have been made by anyone that claims to have played as a mage in the past. these things would have never made it through the q&a session no more than they made it through the beta forums with that feedback. these all seem as though someone above them is forcing things out and bypassing the q&a groups completely.

yoshi may be the name that states he is the head, but i really don't think alot of these ideas and additions are from him at all. yes, i know this sounds really strange for me to be taking up for yoshi, but i really don't think he's been given an option on alot that has been done.

[Nakiamiie]

[...] people follow yoshi like sheep and praise his every move. [...]

Just because you don't understand why something was brought into the game doesn't mean others do not as well. Many follow Yoshi-P because they actually enjoy what was brought into the game, others who don't enjoy it still understand why it was a good idea (or at least on paper it was) to bring a feature in.

Because you don't understand doesn't mean others are woolly ruminant.

[darkstarpoet1]

Just because you don't understand why something was brought into the game doesn't mean others do not as well. Many follow Yoshi-P because they actually enjoy what was brought into the game, others who don't enjoy it still understand why it was a good idea (or at least on paper it was) to bring a feature in.

Because you don't understand doesn't mean others are woolly ruminant.

that's not what i am talking about. i am talking about the yoshi-p ism cult and stuff like that. i am not saying some of the things are not better, but some things are just worse. all i am saying if something bad comes into the game it is automatically tanaka's fault? really? if yoshi gets credit for the good then he gets credit for the bad also. like i said i don't blame either to be honest.

i think the majority of the reason the game failed from the start is wada stuck his nose in and forced things out before they were even close to ready. that forced things to be released even before the issues from beta were taken care of. he believed the game would survive on name recognition alone so he forced an early release.

[Bahn]

Just because you don't understand why something was brought into the game doesn't mean others do not as well. Many follow Yoshi-P because they actually enjoy what was brought into the game, others who don't enjoy it still understand why it was a good idea (or at least on paper it was) to bring a feature in.

And just because *you* think you understand why something was brought into the game doesn't mean you ACTUALLY understand why it was brought in either. I can turn that logic right back at you. darkstar has a point, sometimes the devs seem to "forget" why they're in this whole mess in the first place and make these really dumb game design decisions that make no sense. However, I'm not in total belief that it is Wada behind these direct decisions - that's not the job of a CEO. The CEO may tell you to "make content for our current player base" but I'm not sure he's going to tell you "make this content so that it requires a time sink that will force players to take a longer time to complete it".

...Come to think of it, that does sound like something a CEO could meddle in to increase the longevity of said created content...

Anyway, this is what the community is for, to keep the dev team on track and to constantly remind them Not To Do Certain Things. The Prime Fight requirement was obviously a huge screw up on their part, as you got enough people complaining (or as defenders might say, whining) about the unnecessary time sink required to even get to the content. They'll implement many great things, and will implement just as many bad things. As I've said it once, and I'll say it again, I think it's up to us to keep them in check.

[Jennestia]

i don't think any producer in their right mind would have released the game in the shape it was in on release unless it was forced from higher up.

This is true -- However Yoshida is the Director and Producer of this game at present time and for the past year which means aside reimagining older concepts, a lot of stuff he has direct control over.

What's funny about all of the Tanaka hate is people assume he's been brushed aside or never in the front light of either project until things started to go a way they didn't like.

I'll just say though, I loved Seiken Densetsu 2 and 3 and I'm pretty sure Tanaka was all over that series -- Most people who had a SNES and played Secret of Mana loved it as well.

[Lucifer]

This is true -- However Yoshida is the Director and Producer of this game at present time and for the past year which means aside reimagining older concepts, a lot of stuff he has direct control over.

What's funny about all of the Tanaka hate is people assume he's been brushed aside or never in the front light of either project until things started to go a way they didn't like.

I'll just say though, I loved Seiken Densetsu 2 and 3 and I'm pretty sure Tanaka was all over that series -- Most people who had a SNES and played Secret of Mana loved it as well.

Tanaka is a good man with a very deep understanding of what an RPG is all about.
FFXIV is not his fault alone. The game was clearly not ready for release. Tanaka must have known this. This is the same man who gave us FFXI. This man is a big fan of old school MMORPGs. He had a vision for the future of this game and my theory is that Wada+ Sony = Danger. Sony wanted something to make people buy their consoles; had a nice chat with Wada; brought offerings of nubile specimen, and we get this mistake named XIV.

Crack pipe theories. Rated R.

[Scherwiz]

This is true -- However Yoshida is the Director and Producer of this game at present time and for the past year which means aside reimagining older concepts, a lot of stuff he has direct control over.

What's funny about all of the Tanaka hate is people assume he's been brushed aside or never in the front light of either project until things started to go a way they didn't like.

I'll just say though, I loved Seiken Densetsu 2 and 3 and I'm pretty sure Tanaka was all over that series -- Most people who had a SNES and played Secret of Mana loved it as well.

/Kneel truer words were never spoken.

[Kiote]

IMO, Tanaka is one of the Best in the Buisness. Always has been, always will be. People just do not understand that Directors and Producers do not get to decide when a game is released. There is a whole Flock of People above them and yet more people above those people. The game industry, especially at the size of SE, is a monster of corporate hierarchies.

What really drives me crazy is that Yoshida blindly gets credit for everything being done over this past year. I hate to burst people bubbles but, with the exception of system and class overhauls demanded by players, most of what has come out was already in the planning and development phase. I'm not saying he hasn't put out any good ideas or added anything, but don't go bad mouthing Tanaka while crediting Yoshida with things that were likely started before he took control.

[Lienn]

IMO, Tanaka is one of the Best in the Buisness. Always has been, always will be. People just do not understand that Directors and Producers do not get to decide when a game is released. There is a whole Flock of People above them and yet more people above those people. The game industry, especially at the size of SE, is a monster of corporate hierarchies.

What really drives me crazy is that Yoshida blindly gets credit for everything being done over this past year. I hate to burst people bubbles but, with the exception of system and class overhauls demanded by players, most of what has come out was already in the planning and development phase. I'm not saying he hasn't put out any good ideas or added anything, but don't go bad mouthing Tanaka while crediting Yoshida with things that were likely started before he took control.

This. He is one of the fathers of FF serie and one of the aces of SE. I wish that before people say such stuff as the ones said in this topic that they think he actually only did one big patch before stepping back from FFXIV...and the 2nd one would add stuff people are still begging to Yoshida, like DB, increase of MW features and number of items sold by retainers, drag-and-drop features, quests, hamlet defense among many others. That patch would be the real release of FFXIV.

So if you want to blame someone for Yoshida's fault, how about blaming him? It is expected from someone stacking the role of director and producer to take responsability for the flaws.

But hopefully we will be able to have the original FFXIV revived as spin-off next year so around the time 2.0 is released we will have 2 MMOs that follow not only different concepts but also the different vision of their directors.

[Neptune]

omg, this thread is awesome.

people follow yoshi like sheep and praise his every move. he makes a move someone doesn't like and it gets thrown up that it's tanaka's fault. this is not tanaka's fault and honestly i don't believe alot of the issues are yoshi's fault right now. my personal opinion on the game right now is that the man above them was the cause of the problems in this game atm. i could be wrong and i freely admit that, but i feel most of the decisions being made are coming directly from wada and both yoshi and tanaka before him are just doing his bidding.

i don't think any producer in their right mind would have released the game in the shape it was in on release unless it was forced from higher up. i also don't think the changes that have been made to mages would have been made by anyone that claims to have played as a mage in the past. these things would have never made it through the q&a session no more than they made it through the beta forums with that feedback. these all seem as though someone above them is forcing things out and bypassing the q&a groups completely.

yoshi may be the name that states he is the head, but i really don't think alot of these ideas and additions are from him at all. yes, i know this sounds really strange for me to be taking up for yoshi, but i really don't think he's been given an option on alot that has been done.

Great post, however do you really think Wada has any effect on mages? No, I hold Yoshi-P responsible for that.