Gender Locks Have Revealed the Worst in Players.

[Blessedbythesun]

That's my biggest worry about all this mess is that instead of getting anything new they just opt to give us nothing. Like in WoW in the very beginning they had bikini plate such a stink was made about it by the vocal minority and Nanny police that they never made it again and now all armor in WoW is the same tired jumpsuits.

I never played WoW but I did hear about that back in the day. This whole thing reminds me of the silly controversy surronding Lucky Chloe from Tekken 6.

Actually, I'm not too sure about that. The thread asking for female Hrothgar is at over 1000 likes now. Isn't as much as the thread requesting male Viera, but that is still a lot. Considering we know female ronso are a thing just from FFX, it makes the decision to genderlock them even stranger.

I don't see how asking for male Viera and female Hrothgar is inherently any more political/cultural than asking for male Miqote and female Roegadyn was.

Female Roe only make up 163k of all characters created, which is 14.8mil. That is an extremely small population of the player base. That said, I am aware that female Ronso exists in FFX and that SE side stepped that issue with Hrothgar counterpart because of lore. How many lalafell counter parts, dwarves, will be female with beards? Meanwhile, Miqo'te males make up 1.7 mil in created characters, myself included in that. Statistically speaking, those supporting specifically female Hrothgar are the calmest of the bunch, but also the minority of the group that are more hurt over the viera announcement. That or just wanting to avoid being categorized in the same group with them while still supporting the ideal.

Gender locking the two races doesn't seem to be an issue in Japan following the announcement. Why is it that important in the west? If it was just being let down by expectations, this level of reaction and this discussion wouldn't have even been a thing.

[Lacan]

I never played WoW but I did hear about that back in the day. This whole thing reminds me of the silly controversy surronding Lucky Chloe from Tekken 6.


Female Roe only make up 163k of all characters created, which is 14.8mil. That is an extremely small population of the player base. That said, I am aware that female Ronso exists in FFX and that SE side stepped that issue with Hrothgar counterpart because of lore. How many lalafell counter parts, dwarves, will be female with beards? Meanwhile, Miqo'te males make up 1.7 mil in created characters, myself included in that. Statistically speaking, those supporting specifically female Hrothgar are the calmest of the bunch, but also the minority of the group that are more hurt over the viera announcement. That or just wanting to avoid being categorized in the same group with them while still supporting the ideal.

Gender locking the two races doesn't seem to be an issue in Japan following the announcement. Why is it that important in the west? If it was just being let down by expectations, this level of reaction and this discussion wouldn't have even been a thing.

Actually, Japan isn't happy with the genderlocks either. The general sentiment from them has been "we thought we were past this." Naturally, they're a lot quieter about it than the west is. A lot of the harsher critiques of it are being made on 2chan and other websites because they aren't as inclined to leave negative feedback on the forums.


I'm not saying some people aren't overreacting because they most certainly are. I wish they wouldn't drag sexism and homophobia into the equation because it distracts from the actual issue. But people have to make a lot of noise if they want SE to take notice, and Yoshi himself told us that he'd be considering the feedback. So if it takes people acting crazy to get results, so be it. Getting the genderlocks removed would be a net positive for everyone, whether you see it as a political issue or not.

It really boils down to personal preference of aesthetic. But for the comment in bold, if that was the case, there wouldn't be this fuss because it would mean they are fascinated by the lore... clearly not the case.

I think you can still appreciate the lore and want male Viera though. At least I know I do. Just because male Viera traditionally don't ever leave the trees doesn't mean they never would. They aren't a hivemind. A handful of them might feel compelled to venture elsewhere just like the females do. You've got the gameplay/story separation factor going on too. Au Ra are rarely seen outside of their homeland and we have thousands of them running around as player characters.

[Blessedbythesun]

Getting the genderlocks removed would be a net positive for everyone, whether you see it as a political issue or not.

I think you can still appreciate the lore and want male Viera though. At least I know I do. Just because male Viera traditionally don't ever leave the trees doesn't mean they never would. They aren't a hivemind. A handful of them might feel compelled to venture elsewhere, like the females do. And you've got the gameplay/story separation factor going on too. Au Ra are rarely seen outside of their homeland and we have thousands of them running around as player characters for instance.

I have no disagreements with any of that nor do plan to form some kind of argument to play the devils advocate.

I simply want to enjoy the game, and as a fan, I simply have a different of opinion how to react to the information given in the live letter. My problem is with the behavior involving this issue that doesn't warrant such overreaction, as well as the equally asinine harassment of those that are against it. Not having access to a particular gender of race should have an actual detrimental effect on player experience, which is again, cosmetic at a base level.

[Lacan]

I have no disagreements with any of that nor do plan to form some kind of argument to play the devils advocate.

I simply want to enjoy the game, and as a fan, I simply have a different of opinion how to react to the information given in the live letter. My problem is with the behavior involving this issue that doesn't warrant such overreaction, as well as the equally asinine harassment of those that are against it. Not having access to a particular gender of race should have an actual detrimental effect on player experience, which is again, cosmetic at a base level.

I don't disagree with any of that either. But I do think it is cool to see so many people coming together to show support for male Viera and female Hrothgar. If you actually read through those threads you'll see a lot of people who made accounts here just to add their support for undoing the genderlocks. Seeing the community come together like that to try and accomplish something is great. No idea if it will have any results, but I think it is a good effort regardless.

I'm just saying to try not to focus on just the ugly parts of it.