Gender Locks Have Revealed the Worst in Players.

[Blessedbythesun]

Wow, this subject has made me come out of hiding because the fact that this is controversial is beyond silly. Maybe it's because of my age, or maybe it's because I'm seeing the ill effects of people being over sensitive of the matter. Things that I don't understand go as following, why, are people so offended by gender locked races? I've read the arguments, and as old school gamer who's been playing MMOs for 13 years, it bothers me that what I'm reading getting is people being politically butt hurt over the matter. As a FC member pointed out to me in discord, it's "I want to be able to portray my gender in game and I hate them for taking that from me." HOW!?

Playing MMOs are about escaping real live and enjoying the worlds and scenarios crafted by developers of these games. I've personally flipped between different races and genders over the course of playing FFXIV. Without injecting identity politics into the game, what is the real reason any of you are upset about? You don't have to play any of the races if you don't want to. You aren't forced to use a fantasia to play with them.

Personally, I am offended that I'm seeing why Japanese developers are either censoring/changing certain content in their games for western markets out of fear of offending a minority of entitled player base. Or worse, not releasing their games at all in the west because of this toxic culture that is clearly being exhibited by people feeling so personally attacked that they didn't get what they want in a game that they are so foolish to cancel their pre-orders and subscriptions over a purely cosmetic choice.

There are larger things to be concerned about in not just FFXIV, such as the lack of a new healer coming to the expansion and possible fixes to re-balance the current healers so the next will have a place in the game.

Edit in: Final thoughts.... "It's a f'ing game! Calm down!"

[Lacan]

Wow, this subject has made me come out of hiding because the fact that this is controversial is beyond silly. Maybe it's because of my age, or maybe it's because I'm seeing the ill effects of people being over sensitive of the matter. Things that I don't understand go as following, why, are people so offended by gender locked races? I've read the arguments, and as old school gamer who's been playing MMOs for 13 years, it bothers me that what I'm reading getting is people being politically butt hurt over the matter. As a FC member pointed out to me in discord, it's "I want to be able to portray my gender in game and I hate them for taking that from me." HOW!?

Playing MMOs are about escaping real live and enjoying the worlds and scenarios crafted by developers of these games. I've personally flipped between different races and genders over the course of playing FFXIV. Without injecting identity politics into the game, what is the real reason any of you are upset about? You don't have to play any of the races if you don't want to. You aren't forced to use a fantasia to play with them.

Personally, I am offended that I'm seeing why Japanese developers are either censoring/changing certain content in their games for western markets out of fear of offending a minority of entitled player base. Or worse, not releasing their games at all in the west because of this toxic culture that is clearly being exhibited by people feeling so personally attacked that they didn't get what they want in a game that they are so foolish to cancel their pre-orders and subscriptions over a purely cosmetic choice.

There are larger things to be concerned about in not just FFXIV, such as the lack of a new healer coming to the expansion and possible fixes to re-balance the current healers so the next will have a place in the game.

Not everyone is making it into something political though. Some people just don't like the genderlocks out of principle. FF XIV is a special case in that we literally had genderlocked races starting out and Yoshi went out of his way to undo them. Going back to them now is going to rub a lot of people the wrong way, especially when you factor in how popular a race Viera is.


If you read through the largest Viera/Hrothgar threads most people there are politely requesting the other gender options be added. The people trying to make it out to be a personal slight to them or their identity are the outliers really.

[UserHere]

I'm not saying Captain Marvel is a failure either. I am just saying it did not meet Marvel's own financial expectation. They expected it to smash records. Failing to do so doesn't make it a bad movie. It's just saying that Marvel pushed something expecting a reception they didn't get. The reason are numerous and probably not fit for discussion here but one of them would probably be shoehorning an entirely new hero into a story as a savior role.

Captain Marvel is breaking some records. Or are you saying Marvel expected Captain Marvel ( A brand new solo movie character) to meet or beat Avengers money? To smash Avengers records?

[Odstarva]

Except, they didn't 'go out of their way' to genderlock these new races.


They, rather, went out of their way to make -two- new races.

Please guys, let's not forget that two new races isn't just about the graphics (even though that is essentially what people are clamoring over). It's 4 new lore rules (because two clans per race), vastly different animation sets for walking, running, emoting and fighting, gear measurements, customization options, voices, etc.

Their work load would, in fact, have been less if they went for male viera - which I understand might make the people that were eager to play male rabbit-man a bit upset. But you're not the only ones who exist in the world, don't forget the big lupin thread that also co-existed with the viera thread, which also desperately wanted a beastial race.


They tried to do the best they could with what they had, with how long they had. Look through the interviews, understand that this wasn't a "we don't want male-this/female-that" race, but rather an attempt at trying to please both crowds.

It obviously didn't leave everyone satisfied, but like, come on. Dude. For real?

Idk man. I wanted both Viera and something beastly like Hrothgar, which we ended up getting. Not fully fleshed out on either end, as people expected, but it's certainly better than the nothing we had before.
And on that note, I know I wouldn't be throwing a tantrum if we got no new race this expansion. I'd be disappointed for sure, but I like to think I wouldn't start calling the devs of sexists (or racists) over it.

[Blessedbythesun]

Not everyone is making it into something political though. Some people just don't like the genderlocks out of principle. FF XIV is a special case in that we literally had genderlocked races starting out and Yoshi went out of his way to undo them. Going back to them now is going to rub a lot of people the wrong way, especially when you factor in how popular a race Viera is.


If you read through the largest Viera/Hrothgar threads most people there are politely requesting the other gender options be added. The people trying to make it out to be a personal slight to them or their identity are the outliers really.

I don't see how it's sincerely just the principle of the matter.

Is it because they feel like the choice to play male or female versions of the races has been taken away from them, despite... getting a choice of something? I admit that this is my first time coming back to these forums in like.... 4 years or so so I haven't read those other threads. However, those outliers are being the loudest. Those threatening to cancel their subscriptions over this and overall throwing a fit is what I'm seeing from other outlets. Counter arguments to those that are find with SE's design choices are rooting back to culture differences, near demanding to adhere to "equality" that the west champions, and others rooted in gender politics because male viera weren't confirmed to be added. (Let's be honest, the amount of people who are disappointed about no male viera don't care to much about female Hrothgar. The population numbers of female Roe's is more than enough evidence.)

I get the disappointment, and I do not wish to insult, demean, or harass anyone who supports having both male and female options. Likewise, I condemn those that are feeding the flame.

[Nyvara]

Personally, I am offended that I'm seeing why Japanese developers are either censoring/changing certain content in their games for western markets out of fear of offending a minority of entitled player base. Or worse, not releasing their games at all in the west because of this toxic culture that is clearly being exhibited by people feeling so personally attacked that they didn't get what they want in a game that they are so foolish to cancel their pre-orders and subscriptions over a purely cosmetic choice.

That's my biggest worry about all this mess is that instead of getting anything new they just opt to give us nothing. Like in WoW in the very beginning they had bikini plate such a stink was made about it by the vocal minority and Nanny police that they never made it again and now all armor in WoW is the same tired jumpsuits.

[Lacan]

I don't see how it's sincerely just the principle of the matter.

Is it because they feel like the choice to play male or female versions of the races has been taken away from them, despite... getting a choice of something? I admit that this is my first time coming back to these forums in like.... 4 years or so so I haven't read those other threads. However, those outliers are being the loudest. Those threatening to cancel their subscriptions over this and overall throwing a fit is what I'm seeing from other outlets. Counter arguments to those that are find with SE's design choices are rooting back to culture differences, near demanding to adhere to "equality" that the west champions, and others rooted in gender politics because male viera weren't confirmed to be added. (Let's be honest, the amount of people who are disappointed about no male viera don't care to much about female Hrothgar. The population numbers of female Roe's is more than enough evidence.)

I get the disappointment, and I do not wish to insult, demean, or harass anyone who supports having both male and female options. Likewise, I condemn those that are feeding the flame.

Actually, I'm not too sure about that. The thread asking for female Hrothgar is at over 1000 likes now. Isn't as much as the thread requesting male Viera, but that is still a lot. Considering we know female ronso are a thing just from FFX, it makes the decision to genderlock them even stranger.

I don't see how asking for male Viera and female Hrothgar is inherently any more political/cultural than asking for male Miqote and female Roegadyn was.

[Reynhart]

especially when you factor in how popular a race Viera is.

A popularity 100% earned from being scantily clad bunny girls. Which is exactly what we received, with apparently additionnal cosmetic choices to design one's absolute fetish.

[Lacan]

A popularity 100% earned from being scantily clad bunny girls. Which is exactly what we received, with apparently additionnal cosmetic choices to design one's absolute fetish.

I'd disagree with that. If the only reason Viera are so popular is because they're scantily clad bunny girls, then why do the girls and the gays like them so much too? :v Pretty much everyone, male, female, gay, straight, bi, whatever love Viera. I think it is the culture surrounding them that so many people like. They're this spiritual tribe that is attuned to the voice of the forest. They're just so mystical and exotic.


Or maybe I'm completely off base and people just like them because boners. I'd hope not...

[Blessedbythesun]

That's my biggest worry about all this mess is that instead of getting anything new they just opt to give us nothing. Like in WoW in the very beginning they had bikini plate such a stink was made about it by the vocal minority and Nanny police that they never made it again and now all armor in WoW is the same tired jumpsuits.

I never played WoW but I did hear about that back in the day. This whole thing reminds me of the silly controversy surronding Lucky Chloe from Tekken 6.

Actually, I'm not too sure about that. The thread asking for female Hrothgar is at over 1000 likes now. Isn't as much as the thread requesting male Viera, but that is still a lot. Considering we know female ronso are a thing just from FFX, it makes the decision to genderlock them even stranger.

I don't see how asking for male Viera and female Hrothgar is inherently any more political/cultural than asking for male Miqote and female Roegadyn was.

Female Roe only make up 163k of all characters created, which is 14.8mil. That is an extremely small population of the player base. That said, I am aware that female Ronso exists in FFX and that SE side stepped that issue with Hrothgar counterpart because of lore. How many lalafell counter parts, dwarves, will be female with beards? Meanwhile, Miqo'te males make up 1.7 mil in created characters, myself included in that. Statistically speaking, those supporting specifically female Hrothgar are the calmest of the bunch, but also the minority of the group that are more hurt over the viera announcement. That or just wanting to avoid being categorized in the same group with them while still supporting the ideal.

Gender locking the two races doesn't seem to be an issue in Japan following the announcement. Why is it that important in the west? If it was just being let down by expectations, this level of reaction and this discussion wouldn't have even been a thing.