Gender-locking isn't sexist

[ACE135]

Nintendo and Shigeru Miyamoto are sexist because they didn't gave me the option to play as Super Maria 64 back then.

And no player gets being limited here. Male, female and any other people can play female Viera and male Hrothgar all the same. None gets excluded from playing these two provided characters.

[manickitty]

And no player gets being limited here. Male, female and any other people can play female Viera and male Hrothgar all the same. None gets excluded from playing these two provided characters.

Did you even read what you wrote? You just listed two gender-locked races and claim that no-one gets excluded? I am genuinely curious as to how you performed the mental gymnastics to arrive at that conclusion.

[ACE135]

Did you even read what you wrote? You just listed two gender-locked races and claim that no-one gets excluded? I am genuinely curious as to how you performed the mental gymnastics to arrive at that conclusion.

Tell me where a male or a female person is treated differently than the opposite. Every male person can play as female Viera and male Hrothgar and every female person can play as female Viera and male Hrothgar. SE don't says female Viera/male Hrothgar can just be played when you're male or female IRL.

[Nestama]

Just a reminder. Lore isn't the reason for gender-lock. It was a case of trying to appease two groups at the same time (those who want beasts and those who want Viera), rather than just one group (those who want beasts). Viera were almost skipped over again.

[New_Game_Plus]

Lore isn't a viable excuse.

That said genderlocking isn't sexist at all. It's just freaking dumb is what it is.

[SonKevin]

I really wish we could have just gotten female Viera and no other race.

[Josco]

Or maybe they see it because it's been their experience? You're male, and so you don't see it. Instead you see three city-states with female leadership. I see the Admiral who is in her position because the male (did you not even pay attention to her story?) doesn't want the job. I see the sultaness who can't function without Raubahn, to the point of running into his arms like a gushing child, and gosh I hope they don't stuff the rest of her story up. <clipped> That's two out of three pretty obvious "female but not really" stories.

The warrior of light is technically 'our' character, but there was nothing stopping SE from showing the WoL as something different than a human, white, stereotypical male every xpac. The Warrior of Light could have actually been one of the different races for each cover which would have signaled to the world that the warrior of light actually CAN be anyone, but it isn't, and that's a real disappointment. It means their 'idea' of the warrior of light is exactly what everyone thinks it is - a straight, cis, white, male.

So about the storyline you are referencing over in SB - yes that character is currently female, but if you listened to her story, her personality is explained away not as her just being a strong woman, it's because she was previously male. <clipped> It’s another example of strong female characters not really being on their own as strong female characters.
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So far, the only character I have come across in this entire game that I can 100% say is a strong female character without having any obvious underlying male storyline is Shantotto. And for that, I’ll be forever a Black Mage.

That is a lot of mental gymnastics to try not to see female heroes breaking out of "traditional gender roles," which was the accusation you leveled. Merlwyb's story also includes her winning a great naval victory and killing her father in a duel for treason, and then taking command of his ship--I'm really struggling to see how she is "female but not really."

The irony here is I had never assumed the WoL was any of those things you mentioned...he is cis and straight? If that is what you think the WoL is, that's what he is for you. My main is a blue cat boy, and I watch these trailers and wish there were some technology by which my character could be subbed into the trailer. Part of having it be the same model from trailer to trailer is, IMHO, to show it is the same character growing and transforming over time. The cleanshaven boyish bard from 1.0 looks much aged and transformed compared to the haggard SAM/DRK of the new trailer. A lot of that would be lost and would kind of cheapen the effect if he were a different race/sex each time.

Game the way you like. I'm not here to criticize that. I just think it is possible to voice disappointment with the recent news without resorting to baseless insinuations of bigotry on the part of the devs.

[Valor_C]

Lore isn't a viable excuse.

That said genderlocking isn't sexist at all. It's just freaking dumb is what it is.

Lore isn't the excuse.
Did you even inform yourself why we only got female Viera and male Hrothgar before writing this ?

And Lore can be a viable excuse.

[hydralus]

What the heck is sexist about there being genderlocking? We got a male-locked race and a female-locked race. Seems fairly even.

The lore is literally made up to fit whatever they want, though. But that's fine, it's their decision. I don't fault 'em for it.

[manickitty]

What the heck is sexist about there being genderlocking? We got a male-locked race and a female-locked race. Seems fairly even.

The lore is literally made up to fit whatever they want, though. But that's fine, it's their decision. I don't fault 'em for it.

Because they're genderlocked to incredibly old-fashioned gender stereotypes? Males have no choice but to be big burly bruisers and females have no choice but to be curvy playboy bunnies. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, but to FORCE it on people is unconscionable.

Force? Just stay with your current race. I do love the old-fashioned stereotype of men being large beasts though, and women having bunny ears.

Please refer to the post I was responding to for context.