Gender-locking isn't sexist

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

Claiming that you're dyslexic is not an excuse. My best friend is dyslexic, she uses spellcheck thoroughly on the computer and double checks what she writes all of the time to get into the habit of doing so since she works for a publishing company. She can't use her dyslexia as an excuse why the newspaper has spelling and grammatical errors.

cellphone has no spell check programs lol not that ive weem

[Selova]

a. you don't need 2 know how 2 code in order to know how to make a job work .. literally the only thing they can do thst i cant is draw and code you only need common sense,creative and math .....


b. i mean no dots no ruin and just pet based skill set with atleast chibi version of the primals with no real smn

You just said "You don't need to know how to code in order to know how to make a job work" and in the same sentence say "The only thing they can do that i can't is draw and code".....so which is it? The fact that you really believe that all you need to design and balance a job is being creative, and being able to do math is proof enough that you're obviously letting your emotions get the best of you and saying things that make zero sense. Plus, didn't you just make a thread apologizing for your recent behavior on the forums? It honestly sounds like you need to take a break from the forums for a while.

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

You just said "You don't need to know how to code in order to know how to make a job work" and in the same sentence say "The only thing they can do that i can't is draw and code".....so which is it? The fact that you really believe that all you need to design and balance a job is being creative, and being able to do math is proof enough that you're obviously letting your emotions get the best of you and saying things that make zero sense. Plus, didn't you just make a thread apologizing for your recent behavior on the forums? It honestly sounds like you need to take a break from the forums for a while.

honestly ive tried and yes I'm sorry i have to be like this but if I'm not we will get slapped in the face forever and i dont want to watch everyone else be granted their every whim while healer mains get slapped over and over again so sadly i have no choice but 2 fight

[J-Reyno]

So you would still consider them sexist. So in a situation where they want verity and not just a single race but are limited in resources, they [...]

Let me finish that sentence for you, "should forget the idea of two races so they can deliver a full race with the appropriate gender parity and determine at a later time whether it's worthwhile to pursue another, alternate race if 1) there is demand for it and 2) the resources are available."

Can you name one MMO that is not sexist according to your definition now?

I don't play any other MMOs. Does WoW have genderlocked races? If they do the same then that means their decisions are just as questionable. Plenty of games allow you to play any race/class as both genders, as they should.

[Kazhim]

i dont know if it is sexist or no, but kinda messy idea

so how do viera birth and survive?

even if we studie the wild world, there is always two gender

also i dont see the point to make a female tribe?

japanese got their weird tast for stuff, we know that, and i think those choice, come from this.

[Sigma-Astra]

Before I say anything else, I want to point out that I've faced very real and very serious sexism in my life -- to the point where police were involved.

I'm also someone who raised my eyebrows at the gender locked races reveal. It struck me as remarkably stereotypical that the Viera look like Victoria's Secret models (wearing lingerie race gear to boot) and the Hrothgar look the most beast-like of all the playable races.

There's nothing inherently wrong with sex appeal or beastliness, but the exclusion of each race's opposite gender rubs me the wrong way. Although we're speaking of a fictional world, it was still made by real people. They didn't grow up in a vacuum; their work won't be completely removed from reality either. Culture influences all of us. Unfortunately, culture still isn't all that great about gender expectations.

Before anyone yells at me, I want to be clear that I think the Final Fantasy series is normally really, really good about this sort of thing. I've loved FF for a long time and a huge part of that has been because their female characters rarely feel objectified to me. For FFXIV, the dev team clearly isn't malicious and normally does an amazing job at humanizing their characters, but I still think they dropped the ball with this.

At the end of the day, yeah, it's just a game and it's not as serious as any of the examples you listed, but that still doesn't make it hunky dory either, you know? Something doesn't have to be the worst thing ever to make it worth pointing out.

I've not been following the news since Saturday, so if they've said anything about removing the gender restrictions in the future, that's great and I'm going to be really happy about it. But if that's not in the works, I just don't think this is a good look for SE, even though I still love the game and look forward to 5.0's story.

First off, let me say that I am deeply and terribly sorry that you've had to go through something actually sexist towards the point that the cops were called in, I hope things worked out for you okay in the end for what it's worth.

To cover your other points, is the genderlocking issue odd? Yes. Could the looks of the Viera be considered stereotypical? Yes and no. It's true that the idea of the women wearing lingerie battle armor is clearly for fanservice, however, this was the original look of the Viera that they were basing it off of, and this is what Fran wore in 12 specifically. For something people already knew ahead of time what was coming, it's a little odd people are shocked that Viera are still wearing the lingerie battle armor in XIV. That is what the fanbase wanted. They wanted Fran.

Since most of your other points are things I generally agree with, there's only one other thing I'd like to point out and respond to really.

At the end of the day, yeah, it's just a game and it's not as serious as any of the examples you listed, but that still doesn't make it hunky dory either, you know? Something doesn't have to be the worst thing ever to make it worth pointing out.

Yes, I know. But, the reasoning behind why I cited those examples is because that's what sexism comes down to, not people carrying on in outrageous fashion about a genderlocked race. They're not the same thing nor are they even close towards the same thing. Can we call it unfair? Yes. Can we call it disappointing? Yes. Can we call it a sexist decision? No. In order for this issue to be anywhere close towards such a serious allegation, they would have had to only offer one race as one race gender and then blatantly make it a point where they state they don't care about the other side at all. For example, giving us only females and spurning males or vice versa completely from the start. I can't even imagine playing through ARR and only seeing one gender. Another way for them to be considered sexist is if all of the main NPC's were either male or female, that would have been a telltale sign that SE possibly dooesn't believe that either gender could have a leading role in the main story. (It would also make for a very boring story too.)

In this day and age, people are way too quick to throw out words that don't belong with describing a situation and many don't realize how much weight certain words have. Calling out someone or a company as sexist is a serious crime, it's a serious allegation to make that can ruin their entire credibility or life if enough people believe it, and these are things you shouldn't just openly scream without fully knowing the weight of what you speak with. Too many people are quick to anger and even quicker in tossing out extremist words just to get what they want, or at least hope to cause enough drama to get what they want unfairly. There's no concrete evidence the developers are sexist. There's none. You can try to spin this as hard as you can that it's sexist, but it's not because they're not obligated to make a full race and furthermore, we have other races that allow a male and female option at the same time. Also, when people start tossing around heavy-handed words like "sexist" towards situations where it does not apply, they're taking the seriousness out of the word itself and desensitizing people to the point where when something does happen that's actually sexist, people aren't going to take it seriously since others can't understand what a serious allegation it is to make.

I'm not saying it's hunky dory because it's not, it's disappointing to be sure, but at the end of the day, it's not sexist either. People are just disappointed and they should say as much instead of dialing things up to 200 and tossing out serious claims without any concrete evidence to back those claims up where those claims follow the examples of what actual sexism crimes are.

[Alucard135]

Let me finish that sentence for you, "should forget the idea of two races so they can deliver a full race with the appropriate gender parity and determine at a later time whether it's worthwhile to pursue another, alternate race if 1) there is demand for it and 2) the resources are available."

Yes, and ignore those who want the other race just because it's a taboo now to create one gender without another gender that also must be of equal body build. Instead of going with the two races and genders that statistically (based on what genders and races players are currently playing) would get more players to try them, they should just make it one race even if one gender won't be played with as much to avoid being labeled sexist (i.e. waste resources with less return in the process).

I don't play any other MMOs. Does WoW have genderlocked races? If they do the same then that means their decisions are just as questionable. Plenty of games allow you to play any race/class as both genders, as they should.

It does not have gender-locked races. But according to you, it would still be sexist since not all races have two genders of equal counterpart in terms of body build. The male humans for example are muscular and the females are of a feminine and more slender body type. Having the choice to play any race/class as both genders can still be considered sexist according to you if both genders do not have equal body builds. Makes you wonder why they make characters that way in games then....Could it be because they also see that in nature??

[hynaku]

Tell that to government in America there all about stopping gender locking.

[Sigma-Astra]

Tell that to government in America there all about stopping gender locking.

....What does America have to do with SE making one race female only and another male only? Did you really need to be making a sweeping generalization and discriminatory comment about another country you had no business in bringing up?

How's that foot in your mouth taste?

[Valor_C]

i dont know if it is sexist or no, but kinda messy idea

so how do viera birth and survive?

even if we studie the wild world, there is always two gender

also i dont see the point to make a female tribe?

japanese got their weird tast for stuff, we know that, and i think those choice, come from this.

There are two gender. there are male and female, but the male Viera never leave the Forest in wich they life, they only leave their Village to hunt for Food, making little Bunnys with the female Viera and taking the male Viera back to their Village when they reach the puberty.
Even the female Viera are not leaving their Forest, there is only a small amount of female Viera doing this.