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    Quote Originally Posted by craybest View Post
    gender lock in itself could not be sexist. if the female race would be a savave monstruous bad ass looking race, and the male race was a feminine race for example, it wouldn't be sexist at all (in fact it would be very much against gender stereotypes, which is what sexism is anbout)
    BUT in this case we have a race of sexy looking female bunnies in leather/latex lingerie and a race of hunched beast male brutes in gladiator clothes, so it DOES reinforce gender stereotypes that females should be sexy and males should look strong.
    so, by reinforcing gender stereotypes it IS sexist.
    So in order to avoid sexism, we should never make any muscular looking males or sexy looking females but instead make all females savage monstrous looking and all males feminine. Go it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alucard135 View Post
    So in order to avoid sexism, we should never make any muscular looking males or sexy looking females but instead make all females savage monstrous looking and all males feminine. Go it.
    Wrong! But fortunately for you I'm here to help.

    In order to avoid sexism we should make muscular, bestial female counterparts to the muscular, bestial males. Make sexy, alluring and lithe male counterparts to the lithe and alluring females.

    In order to avoid sexism, we should offer gender parity. It's as simple as that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J-Reyno View Post
    Wrong! But fortunately for you I'm here to help.

    In order to avoid sexism we should make muscular, bestial female counterparts to the muscular, bestial males. Make sexy, alluring and lithe male counterparts to the lithe and alluring females.

    In order to avoid sexism, we should offer gender parity. It's as simple as that.
    So if they were to give us male Viera and female Hrothgar instead, would that be sexist too? Because there are people that want Hrothgar, and there are those that want Viera. And the dev team doesn't have the resources to do all 4 of them at the same time. So according to you now this case will also be sexist, since we don't have the equal counterpart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alucard135 View Post
    So if they were to give us male Viera and female Hrothgar instead, would that be sexist too? Because there are people that want Hrothgar, and there are those that want Viera. And the dev team doesn't have the resources to do all 4 of them at the same time. So according to you now this case will also be sexist, since we don't have the equal counterpart.
    Depending on their designs for them it might be less sexist if the genders were flipped, just because then underrepresented body types might be getting represented, but it would still on the whole be not great and they definitely should have done both genders of either Viera or Hrothgar. No real preference either way. It would also be fine if they did this split with the commitment to add the other gender eventually as well, even if that takes awhile.

    Also it's cool that some people don't see their characters as extensions of themselves, but a lot of people do. And those people probably don't really want to be reminded of their every day bullshit when they play this game to get away from it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alucard135 View Post
    So if they were to give us male Viera and female Hrothgar instead, would that be sexist too? Because there are people that want Hrothgar, and there are those that want Viera. And the dev team doesn't have the resources to do all 4 of them at the same time. So according to you now this case will also be sexist, since we don't have the equal counterpart.
    While it would not conform to the sexist societal norms of hypermasculine men and hyperfeminine women and therefore would not have the same weight of lifelong prejudice that many people experience, it would be a form of gender-discrimination and arguably sexist on that basis alone. And I'm willing to be people would be just as vocal about having their other-gendered counterparts. Especially female Viera.

    As far as limited resources the answer would have been to give us one race with both genders.
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