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  1. #61
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    cicatriz313's Avatar
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    Fayt Azuresky
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozer View Post
    Hm, maybe I just can't read, but it seems like you are discouraging people from complaining.



    Then don't read it, you plum.
    ITT: "I'm allowed to voice my opinion stop trying to silence me!" "Silence you have opinions against me!" Nothing in my posts say don't complain, I said this isn't a blog, and feedback is posting a succinct message in a thread that's already there. But you already linked that so.... ?
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    Verdandir Sadi
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    Quote Originally Posted by hasana View Post
    SAM was a perfect fit for the eastern theme we had in SB.

    So while I don't care about healing but will be happy for them they add one stop throwing bullshit around because you didn't get what you want.
    I don't care what the class is 'called' I'm just going from the 'class balance' pov. I don't mind the SAM at all. Even if people rag on it atm for not being balanced well for the precious 'meta' (I'm not a hard core raider at all, I avoid savage content, though I do the rest of the raid stuff up to it.) I'm simply pointing out that the balance of classes for dps breakdown of meleedps, rdps, magicdps etc... that people are going on about. That is all. SB had TWO dps added. One of them should have been a RDPS to balance things. It wasn't... so now when a tank is added... instead of having things balanced where the healers are being brought up to speed along with the tanks, the RDPS have to be brought up... leaving the healers out for 2 full expansions.
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    Last edited by Tsalmaveth; 03-25-2019 at 03:15 AM.

  3. #63
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    My main is a healer, and really I don't particularly care about not getting a new healer as I don't know how Dancer would differ from Astro which is also a buffer healer.

    What I want more than a new healer is White Mage changes, the Lily mechanic is worthless and makes it so White has no real job mechanic at all. So if they can change White Mage to give it a real meaningful and impacting job mechanic it'll be like a new healer to me.
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    Gunnar Mel'nik
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    Quote Originally Posted by cicatriz313 View Post
    ITT: "I'm allowed to voice my opinion stop trying to silence me!" "Silence you have opinions against me!" Nothing in my posts say don't complain, I said this isn't a blog, and feedback is posting a succinct message in a thread that's already there. But you already linked that so.... ?
    Do you not know what the word 'discourage' means? Again, I shouldn't have to explain it to you.
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  5. #65
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zer0 View Post
    My main is a healer, and really I don't particularly care about not getting a new healer as I don't know how Dancer would differ from Astro which is also a buffer healer.

    What I want more than a new healer is White Mage changes, the Lily mechanic is worthless and makes it so White has no real job mechanic at all. So if they can change White Mage to give it a real meaningful and impacting job mechanic it'll be like a new healer to me.
    Yeah, 100% lilies need a change, at the point where you barely pay attention to a resource, you gut it. Kinda like they said with TP. Will have to see what they come up with but I imagine it'll be a big change.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doozer View Post
    Do you not know what the word 'discourage' means? Again, I shouldn't have to explain it to you.
    K.
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    Last edited by cicatriz313; 03-25-2019 at 03:26 AM.

  6. #66
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsalmaveth View Post
    I don't care what the class is 'called' I'm just going from the 'class balance' pov. I don't mind the SAM at all. Even if people rag on it atm for not being balanced well for the precious 'meta' (I'm not a hard core raider at all, I avoid savage content, though I do the rest of the raid stuff up to it.) I'm simply pointing out that the balance of classes for dps breakdown of meleedps, rdps, magicdps etc... that people are going on about. That is all. SB had TWO dps added. One of them should have been a RDPS to balance things. It wasn't... so now when a tank is added... instead of having things balanced where the healers are being brought up to speed along with the tanks, the RDPS have to be brought up... leaving the healers out for 2 full expansions.
    By that logic, if Sam wasn't added in 4.0, melee dps would be the ones waiting 6 years for a job, as one was not added in 3.0.

    See how this goes? Also, not all dps are the same. Most people who I know who play casters can't stand melee dps. I for sure can't stand casters as someone who has enjoyed melee more. As for tanks, I played PLD for 4 years, until 4.0. They ruined pld for me in stormblood, and it was the lesser choice in heavensward between drk and war. So don't act like healers are the only one who dont get what they want. Unless it's whm. They really messed up whm....
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    King Canadane
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    So you really love healing, meaning you must love the current healing jobs.

    ...why not just keep on going on with what you love?
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  8. #68
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    Ein Vaer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    By that logic, if Sam wasn't added in 4.0, melee dps would be the ones waiting 6 years for a job, as one was not added in 3.0.

    See how this goes? Also, not all dps are the same. Most people who I know who play casters can't stand melee dps. I for sure can't stand casters as someone who has enjoyed melee more. As for tanks, I played PLD for 4 years, until 4.0. They ruined pld for me in stormblood, and it was the lesser choice in heavensward between drk and war. So don't act like healers are the only one who dont get what they want. Unless it's whm. They really messed up whm....
    Actually they got NIN in 2.4 so it would have made more sense to add a RDPS instead of SAM since SAM is #4 while RDPS still had 2, even though they had gotten MCH in HW. So it was more of a business decision than actually trying to balance it out since RDM was also #3. Same as DNC really.
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    Last edited by Vaer; 03-25-2019 at 03:35 AM.

  9. #69
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaer View Post
    Actually they got NIN in 2.4 so it would have made more sense to add a RDPS instead of SAM.
    Which was planned for 2.0 but didn't make the cut, and OK, 5 years.
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    Laurent Vestra
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    It really sucks that healers are not getting anything new. To me, out of all the roles I've played, healers are the most samesie feeling group. Drg, monk, nin, and sam all feel different when I play them same with the tanks. But there is really something in the dna of healers in this game that really doesn't make them feel all that fresh from one another. Maybe its because all healers have more or less the same base skills. We have the aoe heals, the one person heal, and some quick instant cures. Yes, the function a little different in each class but the pattern of healing just doesn't feel that different. Yes, healers have their own gimmicks. But for instance the aoe heals are all more or less (if not the same) in cast time. The only thing that changes is if your shielding or if your regening or neither. And not to mention. We all more or less dps the same way. Sch might have a few more things to toss out but really once shadowflare is down its the same.

    Prolly sound like a heretic here, but they need to fix this. I want there to be more healer identity. A fourth class could have fixed this.
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