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  1. #71
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    Quote Originally Posted by milovan View Post
    Most likely he was referring to Matoya in 3rd person. Maybe after a quest discussion with her prior to the events on the cutscene? Or like Matoya died so Urianger was talking in a sense like “what would Matoya do?”.
    I doubt it. He's asking her a direct question - "what sayest thou" = "what say you" = (more likely to be phrased) "what do you think about this?"

    I can't see that being aimed at anyone other than the person he's directly speaking to.



    Quote Originally Posted by QT_Melon View Post
    That was one of the conclusions some have made when it was first out, but people were not believing there was dimensional travel so they stuck with Miqote naming conventions as to why that answer was ruled out. Of course they are Mystel here so...
    The lorebook does mention that the Warriors of Darkness adopted other names after traveling to the Source.... so possible, but I'd rather not have all the characters taking on other names just for the sake of it. It seems odd enough that they're doing it for all the races.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    I doubt it. He's asking her a direct question - "what sayest thou" = "what say you" = (more likely to be phrased) "what do you think about this?"
    While I was 50/50 on which it could be...

    Koji-Fox in the commentary stream specifically referenced Urianger calling her Matoya.

    There's clearly a mystery as to why still, but that does pretty much confirm that the black-robed Y'shtola that we see was called Matoya by Urianger, we just aren't sure why yet.
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    Didn't Yoshida mention that we'll get to decide the fate of the Scions?

    After Eureka let us pick if someone dies, I suspect we'll get something similar to that quite early on for Y'shtola... Path A, Y'shtola is Y'shtola. Path B, Y'shtola becomes Matoya. Ultimately a meaningless choice (much like the one presented in Eureka), although it may have long standing consequences. A different personality going forwards, perhaps entirely different dialog with her, although that seems like a lot of extra work, more so if voice lines weigh in... Still, unlike the choice in Eureka it could at least provide some meaningful changes going forward? If such a thing happens, hopefully it's slightly more than a one off cutscene or name change... Would be nice to pick something that changes how the characters act moving forward, and give some nice justification for New Game+
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    did he said that? Because if so I already know who to off (you little urchin.....)
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    It seems strange that Matoya would wear Y'shtola like a skin suit. She seemed to genuinely care about her apprentice. It also would be odd that Y'shtola is possessed but the rest of them are their original selves. After all, Thancred is very in character.

    I am leaning to her using her mentor's name. Mystal almost certainly don't use Miqote naming conventions so it is quite likely a name like Y'shtola would stick out like a sore thumb.

    Who can say though. I don't see them canning the whole scion cast.
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    Are we certain Urianger is, well, Urianger? Like, we know that he's phsyically Urianger, but if Y'shtola's body is now possessed - somehow - by Matoya, then it's possible Urianger is not himself as well. I bring this up partly because of how Urianger is dressed. Barring his brief alliance with the Warriors of Darkness, we always see him dressed in the same hooded robe, always wearing his goggles. Likewise, Y'shtola has on at least one occasion lamented the fact that she is "becoming her (Matoya)" referencing her own lack of patience for what she sees as things that are wastes of time. This is important because it's an implicit noting of how Y'shtola is who she is and that this person is definitely NOT Matoya. For all her affection of the woman, Y'shtola doesn't want to be her, and doesn't view picking up her habits in a positive light. Yet here we have Y'shtola dressed and acting as if she were Matoya.

    Bit of a showerthought aside here, but damn if that line of hers ain't some foreshadowing. Yoshi P you cheeky sonuva. This trailer really gives an ironic twist to that off-handed line Y'shtola said.

    Anyway, back to my main point, I don't believe Urianger is still Urianger but my only pieces of evidence are the presence of Y'shtoya as a being now and Urianger's distinctly different style of dress. As "Matoya" Y'shtola is dressed in a manner very similar to what Matoya wears. Urianger is not dressed in his usual manner. So the question becomes, who *is* he dressed like? Is there anything to be gleaned from his getup? The necklace he wears is rather noteworthy, but I can't for the life of me think of any other times I've seen it's like, and "black flowing dress" is about as generic a descriptor as they come. It's certainly not reminiscent of anyone else major in the story that I can think of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quor View Post
    Are we certain Urianger is, well, Urianger?
    I’ve wondered the same (particularly because of that very out-of-character outfit!), but I think the simplest counter-argument is that if it’s not him, then he’s conveniently been possessed by someone who shares his use of archaic grammar! Which is not a guarantee that it’s him, of course, but makes it more likely.

    His new costume is actually the Lv80 AST relic gear, which was shown off at Paris Fanfest. Which explains why it doesn’t really suit him (as it wasn’t designed with his character in mind) and it’s rather disappointing if it’s the only new costume he gets. Y’shtola gets her fancy new dress, and the men just get recycled costumes. (I’m pretty sure Thancred is in a dyed version of the Gunbreaker gear.)

    I thought he looked good in the Orthodox robes during the WoD arc, and it seemed a lot more in-character. (Thousand-year-old Dravanian fashion... yeah, that’s about right for him!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quor View Post
    Are we certain Urianger is, well, Urianger?
    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    I’ve wondered the same
    I know who I'm voting for.

    @AnonyMooseXIV Feb 4
    Broke: Denying that Y'shtola is Matoya
    Woke: Claiming that Urianger is Louisoix
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    Last edited by Anonymoose; 03-25-2019 at 12:51 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymoose View Post
    I know who I'm voting for.
    Damn Moose, I was thinking the same thing too. Some months ago I would have said "that's as likely as Gaius still being alive" but, well, yeah. So I'll just say that I'm looking forward to the inevitable heartfelt conversations between not-Urianger and his grandchildren.
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    Yes, but is Louisoix any more likely to be wearing that outfit than Urianger?
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