Gender locked race?

[Fland]

Chiming in again because while I'm disappointed we don't have both races fully for the Shadowbringers release, someone else articulated what they think is going on and going to happen better than I could and I'd like to share.

Source is here, but quoting:

"I would also point out that adding the opposite genders is not the same as adding a new race, were the C-level to get uppity about how the set we’re getting for 5.0 was meant to be the last new races - the races, at that point, would be in the game, so they wouldn’t be new races, technically (and in this industry, if you have to use a technicality, fucking use it)."

This isn't a very patient fandom, and I know there are contrarians who will be feeling smug about people not getting something they were excited for. But I think this is going to be like 1.0 Miqo'te and Roegadyns where they unlock later.

Also, as someone who was not enthusiastic about a more beastlike/feline race--at the very least I want to say I'm glad the people who were hoping for a more beastlike race get to play that. No sarcasm or anything, I get that games like WoW have options for this and FFXIV has been super humanoid by comparison. I hope this ends up being the aesthetic of your dreams.

I still plan to mess around and see what aesthetics the new races are capable of.

I'm hoping that would be the case.
They won't be technically adding new races if they add male viera and female hrothgar later since the races are already in game, and won't be going against the top brass' wishes (if that is indeed true).

I also saw someone posted a tweet from Matsuno that implied he has nothing to do with the decision of not adding male Viera in FFXIV, so I don't think it's the RoI team.

While it's nice that these two new races have a lot of customization options, I wish that we'd get more customization options for the current races as well.
It's been years and all we keep getting is new hairstyles.

[Raiu]

Gender Locking isn't Unique

Well, it actually is, even if people don't like it, it's still an unique 'trait' to the race.

[Invictam]

I will not be continuing my support via mog station purchases, and I will be unsubbing and requesting a refund for Shadowbringers purchase if gender inequality is implemented at launch. I will not support a game that takes a step backwards on this matter.

[Alleo]

As I said in an earlier post-

Just because there are cracks in the vase, it does not mean you need to pick up a hammer and bash it more.

But having male Vieras would not have bashed it. They do exist. (Otherwise Vieras could not reproduce) The WoL is also someone with no defined past. Who is to say that a male Viera WoL did not just receive visions and decided that it would be better to the forest if he helps Eorzea? Or maybe he is just a Viera that never felt to be part of the forest and simply left. I mean the WoL being a male Viera would not mean that we suddenly have Viera NPCs everywhere.

Well, it actually is, even if people don't like it, it's still an unique 'trait' to the race.

Then why not just write it that no males exist because the reproduce different from us? Why tell us that males do exist but then dont give it to us?

[Astrophysx]

So now we're still arguing over gender ideologies. XD

The SOLUTION regardless of where we stand on our gender beliefs is...

... Develop and implement MALE Viera and FEMALE Hrothgar options.

Lore can always accommodate for these changes, or go the way of the "Miqote". The devs done it before, they can do it again. ;-)

Therefore, keep the suggestions for the unlocking of gender going!

[KaijinRhada]

Really the most annoying thing was them not being forward and outright saying there was no male Viera after Fanfest EU when someone asked the question. They should have just been upfront about it and given the news then, but then add "but we have something cool instead," to build up some mystery and anticipation on what's coming. People were left speculating what Yoshi-P meant (and it was a fairly vague and open answer), so I understand they're disappointed. Again: I'm not surprised, I am still looking forward to the expansion, and in the end it saves me money on Fantasias, but I don't support genderlocking in general.

Also to those saying they could be added later, I somehow doubt that. They're purposefully adding extra customization to Viera and Hrothgar in lieu of them being single-gendered. While it could argued that this is possibly a first step to add further customization to older races, I doubt they'll go through the efforts of retrofitting more options to the six other races.

[Nestama]

So out of curiosity; what exactly is rare about the male Miqo'te? I'm either not looking hard enough or in the right pages, but the lore book doesn't seem to state they're super rare. Just that male Seekers of the Sun will either stay in one place with their harem, or explore/travel looking for a new harem (assuming they lost the 1v1 fight).

[Mutemutt]

But having male Vieras would not have bashed it. They do exist. (Otherwise Vieras could not reproduce) The WoL is also someone with no defined past. Who is to say that a male Viera WoL did not just receive visions and decided that it would be better to the forest if he helps Eorzea? Or maybe he is just a Viera that never felt to be part of the forest and simply left. I mean the WoL being a male Viera would not mean that we suddenly have Viera NPCs everywhere.



Then why not just write it that no males exist because the reproduce different from us? Why tell us that males do exist but then dont give it to us?

I mean, the in game viera lore dump guy pretty much says you'll probably never see a male viera in your life time, going as far as to literally say "they do not exist to us". To then turn around and see male viera running to and fro sounds pretty "bashing" to me.

Could be they wanted to stick close to the lore from XII which pretty much does the exact same thing we see here. Really can't get anymore "Viera" than this.

[Eloah]

So out of curiosity; what exactly is rare about the male Miqo'te? I'm either not looking hard enough or in the right pages, but the lore book doesn't seem to state they're super rare. Just that male Seekers of the Sun will either stay in one place with their harem, or explore/travel looking for a new harem (assuming they lost the 1v1 fight).

It's the birthrate. Per generation only around 1 of every 10 or more children is male, which is less than the 2 or more out of 10 for Viera.

Male miqo'te are rare because of the amount born, Viera are just rare because of how they live so physically seeing one is unheard of.

[Nestama]

Is that mentioned anywhere in the game, or in the book?