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    Quote Originally Posted by MsQi View Post
    I'm disappointed with how ignorant you are. I don't agree with it but what they are doing is boycotting, not blackmailing. Visuals and imagined visuals are an integral part of fantasy fiction and the RPG genre.
    Boycotting is one form of blackmail.

    blackmail
    verb [ T ] UK ​ /ˈblækmeɪl/ US ​

    to make threats to harm a company or organization if they do not do something you want, such as give you money

    Source: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/fr/...lais/blackmail
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duroy View Post
    Relax people, genderlock is just cosmetic. You are threatening to leave a game, its gameplay, its scenario, its community, over some lack of cosmetics...

    Some people are disappointed by the fanfest. I am disappointed by how childish a part of this community is. Such an outcry for such a trivial thing...
    Yea, no. That's is not how business works. ATT dropped Viacom channels from Directv Now and I dropped ATT. It's not blackmail, it's business.
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    Last edited by Dyvid; 03-23-2019 at 11:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhix View Post
    Do you know what blackmail means?
    Was about to say.

    But on topic, leaving the game is not blackmailing.

    Since Square Enix is a business, and they're acting like a business, we're customers. We as customers have a right to criticise or protest, and said protest may come as us not buying the product, boycotting it. The others explained already the situation.
    Even addressing that it's not just cosmetics.

    I for one am not going to buy Shadowbringers, and I'm not going to remain subbed because of BLU's treatment and the current implementation of the "limited jobs". Until BLU becomes a job that can be played as any other normal job, I'm going to stop "buying" this product. It is within my right to do so, if the others are upset about something they hold dear then they're more than welcome to do the same.

    It's this streak of bad decisions that simply made things worse, completely avoidable on SE's part, that I am wondering why are people even defending it. This is what is more baffling to be fair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duroy View Post
    Boycotting is one form of blackmail.

    blackmail
    verb [ T ] UK ​ /ˈblækmeɪl/ US ​

    to make threats to harm a company or organization if they do not do something you want, such as give you money

    Source: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/fr/...lais/blackmail
    You do realize you're accusing people of criminal activity just because they don't want to continue giving money to a company whose products/decisions they are personally dissatisfied with, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SerLuke View Post
    How long after unsubbing do forum accounts become inactive?
    Once your sub expires you have no access to post on the forums. That said if your character has not logged in to the game after a period of time , I think 14 days, you still can’t post on the forums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serenno View Post
    You do realize you're accusing people of criminal activity just because they don't want to continue giving money to a company whose products/decisions they are personally dissatisfied with, right?
    Please understand words have strict and broad meanings. No I'm not accusing anybody of criminal activity...As the cambridge dictionary states, there is a broad meaning of blackmail which is what I said and you quoted.
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    Once and for all people, I'm not accusing anybody of doing illegal things

    According to the cambridge dictionary blackmailing has diferent meanings, one of them being:
    "blackmail
    noun [ U ] UK ​ /ˈblækmeɪl/ US ​
    to make threats to harm a company or organization if they do not do something you want, such as give you money"

    Source: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/fr/...lais/blackmail

    If you click the link you will discover there are several definitions, some stricts, some broad, the one I'm using is the last one, which I quoted.

    I can't believe the amount of bad faith right now, like I would call the police onto angry forumers...
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    lol saying you'll unsub is not blackmail. Are you saying people should keep playing and paying for something they don't want? Voting with your wallet is fine. I do think the conversations of the people unsubbing should be kept to one thread though, just so SE understands how many will be leaving.

    Just like this could have been said in any of the other threads with people complaining about people complaining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duroy View Post
    Please understand words have strict and broad meanings. No I'm not accusing anybody of criminal activity...As the cambridge dictionary states, there is a broad meaning of blackmail which is what I said and you quoted.
    I understand that, however you're accusing people of blackmail, which is a crime and not what people are doing. And since we're bringing up meanings, let's consider that in the context of a business-consumer relationship the act of stopping one's patronage due to dissatisfaction with the service is not the same as:

    blackmail noun
    black·​mail | \ ˈblak-ˌmāl \
    Definition of blackmail
    2a : extortion or coercion by threats especially of public exposure or criminal prosecution
    b : the payment that is extorted
    blackmail
    noun [ U ] US ​ /ˈblækˌmeɪl/

    the act of threatening to harm someone or someone's reputation unless the person does as you say, or a payment made to someone who has threatened to harm you or your reputation if you fail to pay the person:
    blackmail[blak-meyl]

    noun
    any payment extorted by intimidation, as by threats of injurious revelations or accusations.
    the extortion of such payment

    verb (used with object)
    to extort money from (a person) by the use of threats.
    to force or coerce into a particular action, statement, etc.:
    Definitions from 3 different dictionary websites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anarnee View Post
    lol saying you'll unsub is not blackmail. Are you saying people should keep playing and paying for something they don't want? Voting with your wallet is fine. I do think the conversations of the people unsubbing should be kept to one thread though, just so SE understands how many will be leaving.

    Just like this could have been said in any of the other threads with people complaining about people complaining.
    I litterally just quoted the dictionary...
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