Unique Mounts for every job please

[Kalise]

Please direct me to where I said the other classes won't have to farm DF for their mounts. You'll find I said no such thing. In fact I literally said zero about how the mounts would be acquired. I merely stated my support for the mounts being introduced.

Please direct me to where you said other classes WOULD have to farm DF for their mounts.

Given that CNJ's Unicorn doesn't require DF farm, it's not a particularly large leap to think that other classes might not end up having to farm DF.

Sorry but tanking isn't automatically always more work than every other role.

It is when the comparison is Tank farming literally hundreds of "High level duties" and CNJ doing a level 30 quest where they go into a zone and cast a heal on an NPC.

If every other class had to farm DF, then it wouldn't be punishing to tanks.

However, current precedent has all Tank mounts being locked behind DF grind and the single non-Tank mount locked behind a simple quest.

I notice you're flagged as a warrior. I guess you must be biased towards what tanks deserve.

I notice you're flagged as a SCH. I guess you must be biased towards what non-Tanks deserve.

See, I can make pointless comments too!

As it stands, regardless of me being a Tank main or not, the situation is as such:

* Currently, outside of CNJ's mount, the 3 Tank classes have mounts tied to DF, with the effect being to increase the number of Tanks queueing for duties. Note that this isn't just having DPS/Healers queueing as Tanks, but also Tank mains themselves queueing (Given that you can reach max level and grind out Tomestones without actually using DF at all).

* If all classes were given class specific mounts (Meaning you had to play as said class in order to obtain it), this would devalue the incentive for people outside of Tank mains to play Tanks in DF (However relevant this is) which is one of the only reasons for these Tank specific mounts to exist in the first place (As opposed to being simply attainable by any class)

* Even worse would be if other classes mounts didn't require a grind such as the ones that Tanks have to do, such as is the case for CNJ's mount.

* It's unlikely that SE will actively remove an incentive for people to queue into DF with Tanks, however much the current system "Doesn't work". At best they might simply replace the current incentive with a different one if they want to do something like add in a class specific mount for all classes without devaluing queuing for DF as a Tank.

I personally would like to see more class specific mounts, or at least mounts designed around each class (Since, honestly, tying said class mounts behind playing the class makes little sense. Outside of maybe being a new end-reward for Eureka type content to promote grinding it out on multiple classes). Since, given that the current class "Restriction" only exists to promote Tanks being played in DF, once obtaining the mount there is no restriction on what class can use it. Literally, the "Class Restriction" means as much as the titles you get for leveling up a class.

[Penthea]

I notice you're flagged as a SCH. I guess you must be biased towards what non-Tanks deserve.

The difference between you and me is I'm advocating for all classes to have access to unique mounts. I want all classes to have equal rewards. You do not. I'm not the one being biased here :P

And before you start going on about equal work, I have met countless tanks who made my job as a healer a living hell. I carried the hell out of them. Not all tanks who complete instances worked hard for it.

[Kalise]

The difference between you and me is I'm advocating for all classes to have access to unique mounts. I want all classes to have equal rewards. You do not. I'm not the one being biased here :P

As I've mentioned multiple times, I do wish for all classes to have themed mounts.

It's not as if I'm biased against other classes getting unique mounts, I'm merely pointing out how SE has been intentionally biased in how they've released the class specific mounts we currently have.

And before you start going on about equal work, I have met countless tanks who made my job as a healer a living hell. I carried the hell out of them. Not all tanks who complete instances worked hard for it.

Again though, this doesn't mean that "Hundreds of DF runs" somehow equals the work of "Spend 2 minutes running into a low level zone to cast a single skill"

Even if someone is a crap tank, they at least spent more than 2 minutes farming the literal hundreds of DF runs compared to what it takes for a CNJ/WHM to go get their Unicorn (Ironically, given that I only recently picked up my unicorn, the most time consuming thing for me was trying to get a staff that wasn't WHM only to allow me to become a CNJ again to pick up the quest for the Unicorn, as opposed to actually doing the quest.)

Which is the thing to keep in mind if, like some people might advocate, other classes weren't required to farm DF to obtain their class mount.

[Penthea]

As I've mentioned multiple times, I do wish for all classes to have themed mounts.

And yet you argue against them. Forgive me for not being convinced of the truthfulness of this statement.

Again though, this doesn't mean that "Hundreds of DF runs" somehow equals the work of "Spend 2 minutes running into a low level zone to cast a single skill"

The unicorn mount is something of a special case because it's a cnj reward, not whm. Its model is also reused for the all ARR primal mounts. It's not exactly unique.

I would want an actual whm mount to have an acquisition method to be identical to all the other classes.

Even if someone is a crap tank, they at least spent more than 2 minutes farming the literal hundreds of DF runs.

So would every other class if the acquisition method is the same...

Which is the thing to keep in mind if, like some people might advocate, other classes weren't required to farm DF to obtain their class mount.

No one is saying this is how it should be though. They're just saying that they would like to see more class mounts. It seems you're basing your entire argument off of the cnj unicorn.

[Kalise]

And yet you argue against them. Forgive me for not being convinced of the truthfulness of this statement.

I don't argue against them.

As I said, I merely point out the design behind how SE have implemented them. Which is biased against other classes getting mounts in order to push Tanks into DF.

You're the one who's actively put up an argument against them when talking about SE not putting in the time and resources to make so many mounts.

The unicorn mount is something of a special case because it's a cnj reward, not whm. Its model is also reused for the all ARR primal mounts. It's not exactly unique.

DRK's mount is also simply a recolour of the ARR collectors edition Coeurl too. Not exactly unique.

I would want an actual whm mount to have an acquisition method to be identical to all the other classes.

So would I.

So would every other class if the acquisition method is the same...

Which is again, predicated on them being added in the same way, which isn't necessarily the case, nor is it being asked as such.

No one is saying this is how it should be though.

They are though:

I think that it is good idea to have unique mounts for each job but it should be harder to get than unicorn. Nothing extreme though.

Though that particular quote depends on if you call doing hundreds of DF runs as "Extreme" or not.

Yes please keep giving tanks new rewards but add a mount unique to every other job too.

This quote suggests that tanks keep getting new rewards. How would that work out if all classes got the same reward for the same work (I.e. Farming DF a bunch)?

What if they were all easy to get, but had an advanced version with more details on them?

This quote suggests them being "Easy to get" with advanced versions. Currently Tanks have their basic and "Advanced" versions. Both require DF grinds.

I would only accept this if they were from completing Job quest line. If they were DF related it would severely hurt the queues.

A recent example, directly suggesting not having them DF related.

So, I don't know if you've just failed to read the thread in an effort to paint me as someone who's biased against other classes getting nice things while missing the point I was highlighting, or if you interpreted these differently than I.

But it suggests to me, that people haven't been talking as if new class mounts will necessarily be from DF grind achievements.

Meaning my assumption as such, is not being predicated on specifically CNJ's Unicorn.

[Penthea]

You're the one who's actively put up an argument against them when talking about SE not putting in the time and resources to make so many mounts.

I said that it might be why SE haven't done it yet. Not that this is explicitly why or that I agree with it. I would like for SE to pour some resources into it but whether I think it's worth it is immaterial. They have to think it is for it to happen.

DRK's mount is also simply a recolour of the ARR collectors edition Coeurl too. Not exactly unique.

You're going to compare one instance of that mount being reused to an entire expansion's worth of primal mounts? Really?

This quote suggests that tanks keep getting new rewards. How would that work out if all classes got the same reward for the same work (I.e. Farming DF a bunch)?

Nothing here relates to the ease of doing something.

Though that particular quote depends on if you call doing hundreds of DF runs as "Extreme" or not.

What is considered extreme depends on the person. Someone may think hundreds of dungeons is extreme. Someone else may disagree and think that needing to complete savage content is extreme. That person only said "extreme". They did not specifically state what they consider extreme. So at best you can guess what they mean.

This quote suggests that tanks keep getting new rewards. How would that work out if all classes got the same reward for the same work (I.e. Farming DF a bunch)?

They didn't say they want that though. They were trying to discuss a hypothetical situation. Saying "what if" isn't the same as "I want".

This quote suggests them being "Easy to get" with advanced versions. Currently Tanks have their basic and "Advanced" versions. Both require DF grinds.

One person out of everyone you quoted has actually stated that they -want- it to be super easy. One.

So, I don't know if you've just failed to read the thread in an effort to paint me as someone who's biased against other classes getting nice things while missing the point I was highlighting, or if you interpreted these differently than I.

You claim you are not against every class getting unique mounts but you argue against it happening. Do you realise how contradictory this is?

You also were arguing about how tanks have such a hard job as if no one else does, and that was one of the reasons why only they should have class mounts. Maybe you need to look up the definition of bias.

[Kalise]

You claim you are not against every class getting unique mounts but you argue against it happening. Do you realise how contradictory this is?

As I've said multiple times:

I'm not arguing against other classes getting unique mount, I am merely pointing out the reasoning behind how SE has been biased against other classes getting unique mounts and as such are unlikely to change their mind.

I've literally stated I would like unique class mounts. I've even given some examples of other classes mounts that could be cool or interesting.

You also were arguing about how tanks have such a hard job as if no one else does, and that was one of the reasons why only they should have class mounts. Maybe you need to look up the definition of bias.

Maybe you need to look up how to read?

My argument was predicated on the fact that the Tank mounts are tied behind grinding literally hundreds of duties.

Currently, the only non-tank Mount does not require even a modicum of that same effort.

In addition, depending on how you interpret some of the quotes within this thread (I like how you also conveniently ignored the final quote which directly states that they do not want Class Mounts tied to DF grind) it has been suggested that other classes mounts are "Easy" or "Not extreme" which could also indicate not DF grinds.

Since, just as you've had to heal Tanks that have made your life hell in DF, I've also tanked for my fair share of DPS and Healers whom have made my life hell. So it can be taken that literally hundreds of DF runs might not be considered "Easy" or "Not extreme". Perhaps if fully BiS Savage geared players weighed in they might consider it a cake, especially if they run with multiple people from their static (Like that one guy who argued that Healer DPS really matters because when comparing the DPS of a random party from DF they did less damage than a party consisting of them and 2 players from their static including a BiS Savage geared healer in another thread)

As such, this was an argument under the presumption that perhaps other classes unique mounts would be easier to attain than Tanks whom require their DF grind. Given that at no point in this thread was it explicitly mentioned for other classes to have their mounts to be tied to a DF grind - Even if you don't take said quotes I used earlier to mean something easy, they definitely didn't state them being attained in the exact way that the Tank ones are.