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  1. #2891
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    Fraemoht Grehaerzsyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lacan View Post
    If they didn't think male viera fit their vision of the game, they wouldn't have included them in the lore at all. They went out of their way to give us information about male viera from the dramaturge. We actually learned more about male viera there than we ever did in FF XII itself. They could have just as easily left the situation completely ambiguous and they didn't. If they were able to go all of XII without a single mention of them, I don't see why they even bothered to tell us about them in XIV if they knew we weren't ever going to be able to play as one.
    Agree. We have concept arts and actual lore in-game on male viera. They definitely have vision about it.
    While the concept arts might be early, they did show it again recently on Paris fanfest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alesone View Post
    I think you're skipping over the whole "a Viera living outside her homeland was unheard of." There is little reason to specify female viera if it applies to both of them.
    I'm wondering if the JP version also specify the feminine pronouns. It happened before when the gender neutral term in JP got translated into gendered pronoun in EN.
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  2. #2892
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    Gwenorai's Avatar
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    Dyslexius Nervar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alesone View Post
    I think you're skipping over the whole "a Viera living outside her homeland was unheard of." There is little reason to specify female viera if it applies to both of them.
    I took this with a grain of salt. In FF12 and tactics, you still saw Viera that were outside of their woods, they were all female. You didn't see a male. Before this time, this 'several generations' you didn't even see the females. They only started to leave the forest due to changes with life outside of the forest and the fact their way of life wasn't fulfilling enough for them. The change was very recent on the scale of time for the Viera people - especially considering how long they live.

    So, the text reads in line with past events with the females. The difference here is that Viera who did leave their tribes were branded 'outcast' - this no longer seems to be the case. This is a big difference between these games or rather this is what the text is implying - or so I read it.

    Considering the huge rule regarding the 'Green Word' that is if you left the Wood you were no longer considered 'Viera' and were an outsider - this 'rule' or their 'dogma' has been relaxed. If the dogma on this has been relaxed then it's likely that it isn't just relaxed by the females alone and there may be further adjustments, of course, we haven't seen that yet - the Dramaturge certainly hasn't seen it other than hearsay.

    Anyway; if the dogma has been softened so Viera who do leave can come back etc and not be cast out then such teaching must be brought down by the high elders and leaders of the villages; the matriarchs. While the males live outside of the community; they follow the Matriarch and the Wood. Seeing as the Matriarch and the Wood are two of the same in regards to wants and desires due to how they communicate - then yeah...

    The only thing I can imagine stopping the males from leaving is they want to protect the villages and are instinctually more 'feral' than the females to the point they don't mix well in society once they hit puberty. It's certainly not like male Miqote or Mithra where the males stayed at home simply because the numbers were so low they needed to be protected. Viera lifestyle actively has the males fight among themselves and cull their own numbers - they don't have to do that, it's just how the 'males' are. It does make me wonder if the lads are sadly just 'like that' and have a nasty predisposition as soon as puberty hits.

    Imagine that; elegant, beautiful males that fall into the 'ice king/queen' trope.
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    Last edited by Gwenorai; 03-12-2019 at 01:53 PM.

  3. #2893
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fland View Post
    I honestly can't think of any reason we won't be meeting [male Viera] if we will go to the woods in 5.0 without it being sound forced or ridiculous, like there's fire that's somehow eradicated the entire male even though they survived a Garlean attack before, which surely involved some fire.
    From the lore we've been given so far, I can't think of any reason we would encounter male Viera in the woods. They're isolated and they either actively avoid other people, or shoot them on sight. They know the woods better than we do, and would slip away unseen.

    The only way we'd see male Viera is if they have abandoned that lifestyle entirely.



    Quote Originally Posted by artyport View Post
    Usually eleven would fit but they are kinda weird visually in this game. They are more the nerdy /accountant race of ffxiv. Most of their faces are too angular to be beautiful and kinda look mean. And the cute face is uhhhh odd. I normally play elf races but viera seem to be ffxiv beautiful race... so it’s sad we won’t get males... but we will probably get a 3rd masculine macho buff guy option
    Quote Originally Posted by artyport View Post
    Hyur makes come pretty close and I played one for a while. But being hyurr is frankly boring and again the faces are just not it. I play miqote now because I’ve settled with cute.

    But none of these give you beautiful male model style vibes.

    This is what I see.

    [...]
    Eleven- tall nerdy to rude looking men with very sharp jaws

    There simply isn’t a race that is designed to be beautiful modelesque creatures for any races.

    Now the viera come and the women have beautiful runway model looks.
    I want men to have that high fashion male model look. And that simply isn’t available in game
    Have you had a thorough play-around with Elezen settings in the character creator? Or are you just going from the other characters we see in the game? They do tend to be a bit odd-looking - I think particularly since they've had to come up with so many unique combinations for NPCs, so not always using features that go together nicely. And the default characters in the creator don't do much to 'sell' either clan as good-looking.

    I have an Elezen alt, and it's definitely a bit hit-and-miss whether he looks nice in cutscenes - lighting angles can do awful things to their features - but overall I think I got him within that "beautiful male" aesthetic. ( 1 2 3 4 )

    For what it's worth, he's a Duskwight - despite their 'typical' grey colouring you can also give them normal human skintones, and (someone pointed out to me a while ago) they don't have the permanent dark edge around their eyes that Wildwood characters have. (For comparison, this screenshot I had on hand of a Wildwood character with the same basic face setting - a mockup of that hooded guy from the end of 4.3 that people kept trying to compare to existing characters.)



    Also, to nitpick re. spelling - despite the connection to "elves", it's "Elezen" not Eleven.
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  4. #2894
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    Jenity Dionysus
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    Would you mind if the Hrothgar looked like this?
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    Last edited by Tanama; 03-12-2019 at 02:47 PM.

  5. #2895
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanama View Post
    Would you mind if the Hrothgar looked like this?
    I mean if it was more detailed sure

    I hope they are a muscle tone down from roe gear just vary so much on male roe to wear your kinda limited with what to wear
    Much more than other races atleast
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  6. #2896
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    Gwenorai's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanama View Post
    Would you mind if the Hrothgar looked like this?
    Good lord, why D:

    If that's what they're going for I might as well be playing ESO - looks like a buff Cathay-Raht. Which to me is so just, why? ESO is releasing an expansion on this race's homeland very soon which is going to overlap with ShadowBringers. If people wanted to enjoy a big cat race then obviously the better of the two is going to be the one with the huge lore and isn't gender locked. While I'm sure folks will love the idea of playing a literal Khajiit in FF14, I'm just ???
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  7. #2897
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    If anything, I expect them to look like Byakko. He could easily be described as having a 'majestic mane' so perhaps Hrothgar will be heavily inspired by his design.
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  8. #2898
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    Iunia Arcena
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fland View Post
    I'm wondering if the JP version also specify the feminine pronouns. It happened before when the gender neutral term in JP got translated into gendered pronoun in EN.
    I've not seen the JP version of that conversation, but I'm 95% sure it doesn't use feminine pronouns just because Japanese wouldn't use pronouns at all in this context. And I'm almost sure it wouldn't be singular - when talking about the tendencies of a race, I think context would demand the neutral plural "they" (彼ら)... but that's an unnecessarily roundabout way of saying "Viera".
    Still, even assuming the sentence was the same (and that's not guaranteed either, playing with JP VO and EN subtitles I notice a lot of lines being worded very differently, in different order and with different terminology) it would most likely say something to the effect of "Until recently, Viera were not seen outside (implied Viera's) homeland" or "Until recently, (implied Viera) were not seen outside Viera's homeland". Pronouns do exist in Japanese, but context often makes them redundant. You're very unlikely to see a sentence that explicitly addresses the same thing twice unless it's for emphasis or clarification.
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  9. #2899
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    lol @ people thinking we'll get another bara race
    male roe are less than 3% of active players
    SE knows cute bunboys are where the real fantasiabux are at
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    Last edited by username1234; 03-12-2019 at 07:38 PM.

  10. #2900
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    Many people have requested more options for male characters over the years. It's a broad spectrum ranging from classically handsome to ruggedly handsome, lean to outright bulky. It just so happens that whenever there's a push for such things, it gets silenced by a very vocal portion of the community.
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