Gender locked race?

[Gwenorai]

Eh, I don't think so, we haven't seen the subrace yet, not even in the art, if you compare the art assets we've been given to what we got for au ra there was a clear distinction between the xaela and the raen with the female being raen and the male being xaela, but we have no such GLARINGLY noticeable distinction in the art. We don't even have a second lighter skin viera 3D model representative of the lighter skinned race. I don't think it's too tin foil to stretch a bit here, I also doubt the official translator would translate anything incorrectly without being corrected or told to stop.

Again I don't think ANYTHING is confirmed until fanfest drops, but I don't think it's far fetched to assume the subraces may be unique.

We have seen the subrace, both were shown. That's just how little in the difference they are. One tribe has dark skin and light hair, the other tribe has light skin and dark hair. That's how small the difference is; that's why it's boring. There is a subrace that already exists called Feol Viera where they are smaller than the full Viera. But if so they didn't introduce it nor hint at it during the showing of Viera. Note that Feol Viera have a different history/lore to ordinary Viera - there is no reason for a male to not be shown if they were around. While not shown in the games - the males weren't exactly carted off nor did they have a dogma that made them leave their communities.

So, next fanfest they're either going to focus on this 'Hrothgar' - or go back to Viera information and Hrothgar. Seeing as the Viera certainly wasn't complete, we didn't see any of their race stances or them holding a weapon; and the whole 'where are the males' question hovering about, I suppose we will see. I have hopes they do exist due to the concept art Yoshida showed; which does hint that even though he has his grievances with Viera he's willing to allow them and thus had his concept artists draw them. And this was with his comments of him thinking they're weird. And of course, the comment of 'we wouldn't show the female without the male' comment still stands as well.

You don't show concept art of both genders; state that you're not going to show the male without the female and then judge the reaction of the userbase on how they want the Viera. I mean, the only reason I voted for Viera and whined for them was due to that concept art of the males and the assumption that he wouldn't go back and genderlock them.

Bah, if we're lucky - since Hrothgar was programmed in first that it may have been created before Viera - then Hrothgar was something that has been worked upon since before stormblood and may have been the 'race' that should have been released during that expansion but was held back.

or Hrothgar is a 'trap' to throw people off due to the extensive leaks. Seems doubtful but honestly, something about the way that blufever sounded/acted made me a wee bit suspicious.

[Tabbs]

We have seen the subrace, both were shown. That's just how little in the difference they are. One tribe has dark skin and light hair, the other tribe has light skin and dark hair. That's how small the difference is; that's why it's boring. There is a subrace that already exists called Feol Viera where they are smaller than the full Viera. But if so they didn't introduce it nor hint at it during the showing of Viera. Note that Feol Viera have a different history/lore to ordinary Viera - there is no reason for a male to not be shown if they were around. While not shown in the games - the males weren't exactly carted off nor did they have a dogma that made them leave their communities.

I'm not saying they didn't show off both subraces, but they did not confirm that they did. Please do not spread info as fact until it is proven. The skin tones were so close they may as well have been one clan and there isn't anything to prove that they aren't.

[Gwenorai]

I'm not saying they didn't show off both subraces, but they did not confirm that they did. Please do not spread info as fact until it is proven. The skin tones were so close they may as well have been one clan and there isn't anything to prove that they aren't.

How is it false information? I'm not spitting on the idea of them adding a new subrace - I'm stating that Raava and Veena we're clearly there; if they wish to class them as one and have another, all the power to them. I also went and stated ANOTHER subrace; yeah, totally me being against the idea.

Come on dude, I literally said how 'boring' the differences were between the two aforementioned subraces - which by the way you can read their lore in the FF14 lore books.. ¬_¬ Jeeze. And I wasn't even responding to you either, so again ?????

[Tabbs]

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I'm saying that you don't know that both Rava and Veena were present in that video. No one at SE said they were, and just because they had different skin tones doesn't mean they're from the separate clans. You can make Moon Keepers with saturated skin, that doesn't mean they're Sun Seekers. I didn't say anything about you being against anything else.

[Gwenorai]

I'm saying that you don't know that both Rava and Veena were present in that video. No one at SE said they were, and just because they had different skin tones doesn't mean they're from the separate clans. You can make Moon Keepers with saturated skin, that doesn't mean they're Sun Seekers. I didn't say anything about you being against anything else.

We don't have to see that when it's always been that those races had such small differences that it's questionable why they aren't even classed as being one subrace; I mean this is the difference; 'They have two distinct clans, the Veena which have lighter fur and the Rava which have darker fur and hair colors.' Unless they've retconned that then that's all we're going to see unless they add more. This is sadly what we saw during the short preview. Did they not mention that these were Veena and Rava? Nope, they kept saying 'Viera'. Is it clear that in that video there are Viera that have lighter fur, while the others have darker fur and dark hair colours? Yes. Is it possible that this is one clan? Yes, if they retconned their lore and made the other forementioned subrace either 'Veena' and 'Rava' be something completely different then sure.

My statement was that by lore the two are there which tick the characteristics of Rava and Veena that always shared the same lore and history anyway. Those two 'subraces' were there; but they should be counted as one due to how similar they are. I'm not crapping on the idea that they may add another because the difference between Rava and Veena has always been little; especially in regards to lore.

edit; I'm not even sure Rava and Veena are a subrace at this point; they're just clans; most of the differences come from different hair colours - and that's because some of them dye their hair. Shrug.

[Tabbs]

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Forgive me if I've misunderstood, but you seemed to be implying that both clans of Viera were shown off in the teaser video in your original post, which is not confirmed. And again, I didn't say you were against any idea. Trust me, I'd love to have Feol as a playable option lol.

That being said, the Rava on the wiki appear to be significantly darker than the Veena. If dark skin is a hallmark of the Rava, I'd imagine they'd definitely have chosen some darker tone options for the teaser, as the ones from the video may as well all be Veena when compared to Viera from 12.

[Gwenorai]

Forgive me if I've misunderstood, but you seemed to be implying that both clans of Viera were shown off in the teaser video in your original post, which is not confirmed. And again, I didn't say you were against any idea. Trust me, I'd love to have Feol as a playable option lol.

That being said, the Rava on the wiki appear to be significantly darker than the Veena. If dark skin is a hallmark of the Rava, I'd imagine they'd definitely have chosen some darker tone options for the teaser, as the ones from the video may as well all be Veena when compared to Viera from 12.

Aye, I did. And that was on me, I should have said 'Likely' shown, rather than the absolute 'they were shown' as if it was fact. While I do believe both clans were there; I'm rather upset at the small differences. However, it's not so much their appearances that's going to bother me; it's their background lore. Veena and Rava share the same background, habitat etc. At least with the other subraces, they have different lore - different background and religious belief. Surely they can't have them like that, otherwise what's the point? Adding on the whole 'No male' thing is just going to be a double whammy.

I would also love Feol Viera as that would fill in the 'nitch' people want to be small and slender.

I'm honestly not sure why they didn't show the darker skin tone of Rava - perhaps due to Fran? She has a dark skin tone, much darker than those shown in the video.

According to the wiki/lore books as well, all Viera have 'white hair' those who leave the wood just dye it? So that's one less 'subrace specific' characteristics. Bah, they really need to add the dudes to spice this up a little.