Need to address the Eureka in the room.

[Taebok]

Eureka makes me feel weak whats the point of me leveling and getting stronger just to feel weak again?

Happens every time you go into a new zone.
Happens every time you go into a new dungeon.
Happens every time you go into a new raid.
Happens every time there's a new expansion.
This is different how?

[Canadane]

I enjoyed the experience.
If you take what they learned from The Diadem and we got Eureka.
Then you take what they've learned from Anemos and Pagos, and we got Pyros and Hydatos.

Literally every step has been an upgrade from the last in terms of fun factor.
Subjective, yes. But I wouldn't say this is an outlandish claim.

I'm looking forward to what will come in 5.0.

[Aristotle]

I like the idea of large-scale instances with stuff to do inside. Having everyone work together to make something happen can be fun. I think the second iteration of Diadem would have been more fondly remembered if doing FATEs in the zone worked towards popping the big boss encounter instead of it being totally random. Everyone just stood around until their timer ran out or something happened with the way it was implemented. The random chests with goodies inside were cool too, but they all spawned when the instance was created and when they were snatched up, that was pretty much it for the rest of the instance's lifespan.

I hope we don't see a complete recycle of the Eureka formula in 5.0. I think everyone is totally sick of it by now. But I think the idea of large-scale instances with an emphasis on everyone working together could be done again with a different spin that could still be fun.

[Rangar]

SE is experimenting with their system, and sometimes it's not always successful. That's why each version of Eureka had different things going on in it. These are called birthing pains; and whatever SE is planning in 5.0 will have it's own good sides and bad sides too.

[Marxam]

SE is experimenting with their system, and sometimes it's not always successful. That's why each version of Eureka had different things going on in it. These are called birthing pains; and whatever SE is planning in 5.0 will have it's own good sides and bad sides too.

Well after four zones of Eureka you would think they would have learned that bunnies are just not fun. This is probably the first and not last concept that quite literally kills any motivation for me to play this game outside of addiction. Bunnies have such horrendous RNG where you have to be lucky to get one first, then have the bunny survive long enough to get to its destination, then be lucky enough to get at gold chest then finally if all the stars align, lucky enough to get the mount/emote/hairstyle. Also bunnies are the first time where having more people help is detrimental to everyone due to the limit of bunnies that can be on the map. Never have I thought that if less people were around it would be more fun and anyone who has been in a bunny instance and gotten bunnies every time knows how fun that can get.

Eureka does have its pros with logorams being the best example but if there is anything that the devs can take from Eureka is that RNG =/= FUN.

[Wilford111]

The 2. Dungeon we lost due to eureka, which we would have to run trillion times for genesis tomestones and be tossed away with the next expert dungeon. Something you'd run over and over again to cap. We lost so much. /s

I'd rather run through the same dungeon a trillion times than touch Eureka again.

[TheGrimace]

I do prefer dungeons over Eureka and Diadem, totally. Dungeons are my favorite content in the game, and losing them for content I'm not thrilled with is disappointing.

[Colino]

I applaud them for at least trying something new, I think a lot of the people complaining about losing a dungeon would also complain about the game being too "samey" if nothing had changed.

[Reynhart]

I'd rather run through the same dungeon a trillion times than touch Eureka again.

Be happy, that's probably still what you do every day during your roulettes

Dungeons are my favorite content in the game, and losing them for content I'm not thrilled with is disappointing.

How often do you actually run a specific dungeon instead of being randomly put in one you already did a thousand times ?

[purgatori]

If they could make Eureka-style content something close to being fun and accessible, rather than choresome and frustrating, then I wouldn't resent SE taking development resources away from content that there's probably little chance I will ever really enjoy doing, short of being able to do it all with Squadrons/Trusts (e.g., dungeons, raids, & trials). But just like BLU, Eureka represents an alternative that initially sounded promising to me, but actually ended up being even less appealing than the mainline content the game has offered up to this point.

So far, the only one of these experiments in alternate progression that has really been a source of enjoyment for me has been the Deep Dungeons, and of those, I felt only PotD did a good job of catering to the hardcore AND the casual (like me) crowd. HoH on the other hand, gave the casuals 10 levels to do, an incomplete-feeling story, and locked the real substance behind either being skilled enough to solo the upper floors, or having friends one could rope into pre-formed parties. For that reason, I actually would prefer that SE probably devote more resources to Savage raids and Ex's, so that they could give the hardcore players/players who like to spend the majority of their time in the game in groups plenty to do. That way, they might stop trying to add hardcore components to content that would otherwise be perfectly accessible and enjoyable to a wider range of skill levels. There's nothing more frustrating than getting up to a certain point in a piece of content and then being told, essentially, "sorry, but the really good stuff is going to require that you be awesome/have enough time and/or connections to assemble a party." Admittedly, Eureka was pretty much "group or die" out of the gate, but when the concept was pitched to us old-school MMO-ers, I know that I thought it would be at least feasible (if slower) to solo grind through the content. I just wish that SE would clearly delineate hardcore and casual content in the same way that they do when it comes to normal vs. savage raids, etc.