Can we report the Baldesion Arsenal discord group?

[Lacan]

IMO, if you aren't willing to put up with discord for it, you clearly don't wanna clear BA that badly. :v Having to communicate with others in a discord isn't that scary. Put on your WoL pants and be brave. I managed to lead my own group into an Ozma prog last night and I don't even have a mic. If I can do it you guys can.

[Xellos2099]

I think I was in your support group for that run lol. What started as a fragment run ended up as an Ozma prog group. That BA group is a perfect example of how fun it is when you join with people at your current level of the content. People were helpful explaining AV and the group managed to kill it. And took almost 15min explaining Ozma and told people there's no problem if they made a mistake since it's just a learning party. We had a sniper for our support group that I was going to invite to our group, since they seemed to not know what's going on but they just left immediately. I can't tell if they did it on purpose or not, but they probably got reported for that by others.

The benefit of discord is not voice chat, but the ability to organize 56 people that are at your same progression level that the game doesn't even give you the option of pre-forming before you queue into the instance. Yet, some prefer to snipe a portal and say "I hate discord" "I don't need discord" "how can I learn if I don't get in?", end up in a group that is most likely beyond their level of progress, end up dying to simple mechanics, and then say "BA groups are elitists!". Seems like the best way to learn /s. If the companion app provided the same features as discord for organization, the same problem will still exist and you'll still hear "I shouldn't need the app to play the game".

I am surprise first timer got enough dps to burn down av before the enrage

[Mixt]

So why don't you have a Final Omega kill? :thinking:

Three words for you: Pugs gonna pug

[Alucard135]

I am surprise first timer got enough dps to burn down av before the enrage

The party had lots of people that were geared and there were those who already cleared AV before lol. I have the cloak, and all +2 elemental plus the Physeos RDM relic and was using wisdom of the elder+magic burst logos. AV was killed after the second add phase,which is really good for first timers but shows the importance of gearing up.

[Xellos2099]

The party had lots of people that were geared and there were those who already cleared AV before lol. I have the cloak, and all +2 elemental plus the Physeos RDM relic and was using wisdom of the elder+magic burst logos. AV was killed after the second add phase,which is really good for first timers but shows the importance of gearing up.

That made sense and still a nice job. I have seen even reclear group wipe to enrage on av due to a miscall and 1/3 of the people die. I also see someone who walk in re-clear pt with zero elemental gear on and claim you don;t need gear just need good dps rotation.

[Nixxe]

Raising people in BA is like Russian Roulette. You have to risk dying yourself to do it. I don't blame them for not wanting to run that risk on a random who wandered in completely unprepared, preventing someone who was actually prepared from assisting them. I don't think people who make an honest mistake should be harassed, but there's really no incentive for premades to be welcoming and encouraging to someone who took a portal from someone in the premade. If that proved to be an effective strategy for clearing the content, people would have less incentive to cooperate with the premade, reducing the incentive to use the premade and decreasing the effectiveness of the average group.

Deleveling isn't a big deal in Hydatos anyway. Go grab a Reflect and kill some sprites.

[Tsumdere]

I think I was in your support group for that run lol. What started as a fragment run ended up as an Ozma prog group. That BA group is a perfect example of how fun it is when you join with people at your current level of the content. People were helpful explaining AV and the group managed to kill it. And took almost 15min explaining Ozma and told people there's no problem if they made a mistake since it's just a learning party. We had a sniper for our support group that I was going to invite to our group, since they seemed to not know what's going on but they just left immediately. I can't tell if they did it on purpose or not, but they probably got reported for that by others.

The benefit of discord is not voice chat, but the ability to organize 56 people that are at your same progression level that the game doesn't even give you the option of pre-forming before you queue into the instance. Yet, some prefer to snipe a portal and say "I hate discord" "I don't need discord" "how can I learn if I don't get in?", end up in a group that is most likely beyond their level of progress, end up dying to simple mechanics, and then say "BA groups are elitists!". Seems like the best way to learn /s. If the companion app provided the same features as discord for organization, the same problem will still exist and you'll still hear "I shouldn't need the app to play the game".

You were! I recognized you, but I play on my main so more than likely not the other way around. It was a super fun run and my team (Wind) was almost entirely new people. They were so nervous and excited they made it all the way to Ozma first time. If this is what elitism looks like, helping new players and laughing and cheering everyone on, then I'll stay an elitist thank you very much.

As for the sniper, I bet they felt really stupid afterwards. They did come in and immediately leave just to grief us and lock out one innocent person who maybe just wanted to practice. We had no support group so we offered to the instance to gather up some people to PUG and still had people trying to sabotage the BA group.

Appreciate your advise but no thank you what have seen here in this thread and other threads is enough.

This forum thread among others related to the subject do portrait well whats the players attitude towards players that aren't aware of the full mechanics and do use the portals with no intention to steal them but to try the new content am so sorry my opinion offends you or your discord magical group, it doesn't change the fact how your attitude reflects here in the forum.
If you were so innocent players wouldn't even be here complaining about harassment on your part so yes this thread will be a good reference in the future.

This is the prevalent attitude of people who stomp their feet about the Discord.

Person : I want to do BA but I'm scared of the BA Discord elitists.
Discord : Hey, no reason to be scared! We're super nice and explain all the bosses and everyone is welcome to join regardless of skill level. We also prefer it if you queue up through the Discord to give everyone a fair chance. Jumping into a portal randomly might not be the best way to learn or to progress due to being unable to appraise logograms or switch jobs inside.
Person : UHHHHH no thanks elitist! Portals don't belong to you! Stop being toxic!!!!! I'll never finish BA because of these elitist gatekeepers!!!
Discord : But we invited you-
Person : ELITIST!

Also, have you considered people can lie? You do know that people are actively going out of their way to try and tear down the Discord because they are spiteful?

[jameseoakes]

This is the prevalent attitude of people who stomp their feet about the Discord.

Person : I want to do BA but I'm scared of the BA Discord elitists.
Discord : Hey, no reason to be scared! We're super nice and explain all the bosses and everyone is welcome to join regardless of skill level. We also prefer it if you queue up through the Discord to give everyone a fair chance. Jumping into a portal randomly might not be the best way to learn or to progress due to being unable to appraise logograms or switch jobs inside.
Person : UHHHHH no thanks elitist! Portals don't belong to you! Stop being toxic!!!!! I'll never finish BA because of these elitist gatekeepers!!!
Discord : But we invited you-
Person : ELITIST!

Also, have you considered people can lie? You do know that people are actively going out of their way to try and tear down the Discord because they are spiteful?

Looking through these various threads that's not really true, as while you have people making the discords sound nice, you then have people claiming to be from the discords join in saying things that make the discords sound like really unpleasant places. If everyone was like you lay out there then we would have a lot less of these threads.

[Alucard135]

That made sense and still a nice job. I have seen even reclear group wipe to enrage on av due to a miscall and 1/3 of the people die. I also see someone who walk in re-clear pt with zero elemental gear on and claim you don;t need gear just need good dps rotation.

That's true of were talking about regular content. But, the elemental increase has a drastic dps increase here. It can put you at level 65 equivalence. And if you combine it with appropriate logos it becomes destructive. So not having the gear can easily put you down the dps list compared to someone who has the full set and suck at their rotation (think of it as someone at level 50 fighting a level 55 mob compared to someone that is bad at their rotation but at level 55).

My fastest AV kill was 3:40 min so that's even half of his enrage timer. Can you kill AV before his enrage with no elemental gear? Sure you can but that's assuming no deaths, and all 56 know their rotation very well.

[Tsumdere]

Looking through these various threads that's not really true, as while you have people making the discords sound nice, you then have people claiming to be from the discords join in saying things that make the discords sound like really unpleasant places. If everyone was like you lay out there then we would have a lot less of these threads.

I wont name names, but some of these people who are vehemently anti-Discord that have been on the Discord were kicked for being a**holes and breaking the Discord rules. Such as going into ruin other groups runs with the sole intent of harming the run and harassing other players. Others are upset that the queues take a while, which is understandable. More people are learning, too afraid to lead, or just not playing tank. This is why I HEAVILY recommend checking out the Discord before making assumptions based on what others say.