Can we report the Baldesion Arsenal discord group?

[Gwenorai]

Then the people who enter shouldn't expect any help from the other 47/55 other players in the dungeon. As already stated, people are under no obligation to carry you in BA so if you enter on a whim you shouldn't expect to be entitled to any friendly behavior from people in the dungeon. Especially when it takes no effort to get into a discord group.

Even entering as a premade built in kugane without a discord would be better at this point. But obviously that doesn't happen because people who snipe portals only want to be carried and get the kill without putting in any effort of any sort.

This actually made me frown really hard. Like, I get it - but this is where people scowl and start throwing around the 'elitist' remark because that's how your comment is reading. You're straight up not even giving them a chance and making a broad accusation. Nah, not cool. Just because someone doesn't enter a premade doesn't mean they're not going to try. Nor should they be attacked for using the portals - frustration is understandable but being a straight up jerk isn't - that's how you end up reported and that's where people start harping on about toxic players, because they're being toxic.
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Anyway, OP if that story went down as you've portrayed it that's extremely unfortunate and it's a shame she didn't remember those who were harassing. It's sad she went in with the idea to try the content and carry herself - as SE has portrayed this content to be with how BA works in regards to getting in. Sucks, even more, when some folks attitude is to instantly snarl and blame them for engaging the content. I have high hopes however that people aren't usually like this in BA and instead of being jerks will send a party invite and a discord link to the current parties that are in the instance for optimal coordination - and instead not assume that they're leeching.

[jameseoakes]

Then the people who enter shouldn't expect any help from the other 47/55 other players in the dungeon. As already stated, people are under no obligation to carry you in BA so if you enter on a whim you shouldn't expect to be entitled to any friendly behavior from people in the dungeon. Especially when it takes no effort to get into a discord group.

Even entering as a premade built in kugane without a discord would be better at this point. But obviously that doesn't happen because people who snipe portals only want to be carried and get the kill without putting in any effort of any sort.

Statements like this make these discord groups sound really toxic, you are expected to play fair with the people who get matched with you and everyone in the instance who merts the requirements is allowed to enter the content, friendly behaviour should be expected in content like this.

[BillyKaplan]

Doesn t get to enter in BA because your friend wanted to get into BA on a whim whithout even preparing the proper logos actions (lol bloodbath/remembered).

How dare that person play the content as intended with the amount of experience they had on hand! How dare they try out the content on their own! Who do they think they are?!

[Stanelis]

This actually made me frown really hard. Like, I get it - but this is where people scowl and start throwing around the 'elitist' remark. You're straight up not even giving them a chance and making a broad accusation. Nah, not cool. Just because someone doesn't enter a premade doesn't mean they're not going to try.
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Anyway, OP if that story went down as you've portrayed it that's extremely unfortunate and it's a shame she didn't remember those who were harassing. It's sad she went in with the idea to try the content and carry herself - as SE has portrayed this content to be with how BA works in regards to getting in. Sucks, even more, when some folks attitude is to instantly snarl. I have high hopes however that people aren't usually like this in BA and instead of being jerks will send a party invite and a discord link to the current parties that are in the instance for optimal coordination - and instead not assume that they're leeching.

As you pointed out it is not for us to give your friend or not a chance, it is their performance on AV (or even raiden, typically most snipers get blown up on raiden despite him being a very easy boss). You cannot in one hand sit on our "elitist" organization and in the other expecting us to help you. If you want help, you play by our rules (snipers are typically banned from the different discords). If you don't want help, fine you can snipe, but don't expect any help of any sort. BA is a social content and with every social interactions come written and unwritten rules and etiquettes. And in a 48 man raid, you ll get nowhere without being social.

Also, 2 days ago, we invited a sniper to our group in order to get the LB3, even like this he died on AV despite being on the discord. We didn't raise him.

Furthermore, someone who snipe on the support fate without having any BA experience nor gear nor logos is leeching. Plain and simple.

How dare that person play the content as intended with the amount of experience they had on hand! How dare they try out the content on their own! Who do they think they are?!
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You ll get no sympathy from any BA runner here, because people who snipe on AV generally don't have any elemental bonus nor the right logos. Generally at this point most people do discovery runs from the beginning and don't try to skip to the finish line. In our discord we go to great length to teach players BA from the beginning by organizing 3 runs per days every day.

Statements like this make these discord groups sound really toxic, you are expected to play fair with the people who get matched with you and everyone in the instance who merts the requirements is allowed to enter the content, friendly behaviour should be expected in content like this.

But we re playing fair, in our groups (the french discord) we simply say nothing to the snipers. As people mentioned, it is a public dungeon, we don't have to cooperate with anyone if we don't want to.

[Gwenorai]

As you pointed out it is not for us to give your friend or not a chance, it is their performance on AV (or even raiden, typically most snipers get blown up on raiden despite him being a very easy boss).

Also, 2 days ago, we invited a sniper to our group in order to get the LB3, even like this he died on AV despite being on the discord. We didn't raise him.

Doesn't matter dude, your previous comment kinda shows what you're all about. If that's how your discord group thinks - then yeah, you expect people to take part in that? Can you blame the more causal of players being uncomfy in engaging with you? I hope no discord group that is currently running around in Eureka shares this kind of thought process.

[BillyKaplan]

You ll get no sympathy from any BA runner here, because people who snipe on AV generally don't have any elemental bonus nor the right logos. Generally at this point most people do discovery runs from the beginning and don't try to skip to the finish line.

Your bitterness is directed at people who do that sort of thing intentionally but the fact remains that the game allows people with innocent if uninformed intent to go in there like that as well. There are no requirements to go into the portal other than being there when the relevant fate died and maybe getting a gold rating on it - that's it.
As has said numerous times in the thread - if you want to blame someone, blame SE for designing the content like that, or get over the misguided notion that anyone owns the BA entry rights - because no one does.

[Stanelis]

Your bitterness is directed at people who do that sort of thing intentionally but the fact remains that the game allows people with innocent if uninformed intent to go in there like that as well. There are no requirements to go into the portal other than being there when the relevant fate died and maybe getting a gold rating on it - that's it.
As has said numerous times in the thread - if you want to blame someone, blame SE for designing the content like that, or get over the misguided notion that anyone owns the BA entry rights - because no one does.

Generally we give a warning to clueless people (we already got the case) but that doesn't mean we d carry them to Ozma, because if you want to go to Ozma, in our discord, you have to do discovery runs first.

Also, I'm not bitter (I got my mount so to be honest at this point I m only doing this for people who don't have the kill) but I'm very firm about the sniping, because it is not a good behavior. And I especially frown when people actually think they are entitled to get the Ozma kill when they snipe a portal. But no, that's not how it works.

Doesn't matter dude, your previous comment kinda shows what you're all about. If that's how your discord group thinks - then yeah, you expect people to take part in that? Can you blame the more causal of players being uncomfy in engaging with you? I hope no discord group that is currently running around in Eureka shares this kind of thought process.

As someone who organize a lot of the runs for newcomers in BA in our discord, I think you get the wrong guy. And that doesn't prevent me from being very firmly against sniping because it is a huge lack of respect for the player who is sniped (see my previous post for explanation). there are no prerequisites to join the different discords and you can even build your own premade if you don't want to join these group, anything is better than simply takinga portal as a single player (at least in EU and NA datacenters).

[BillyKaplan]

anything is better than simply takinga portal as a single player

And yet works as intended, is what it still boils down to.

[Commander_Justitia]

With all the elemental gear the bosses are pretty easy now. I don't know why you would still need that level of discord organisation for BA.
The BA discord doesn't own the exclusive right to enter the portals if they have a run. You just shouldn't be a griefer and be like "lol I sniped your portal" because then you can get reported too. Your intend should be to clear it too and guys again....., 3grps(24people) cleared BA already, clear times around 5min at ozma ? maybe even less now. If one guy in 56 doesn't have the right logos action it will not stop you from clearing.

The best way to learn and enjoy the content it actually to get as many people as possible in BA instead of losing out on 10 potential "BA runs/portal spawns" because everybody is too afraid to go inside because there could be a group premade for it and they don't wanna be that toxic sniper guy.

The content would actually be difficult as intended if it would be with random people. Doing 56 full premade is kinda cheesing the system.
Instead of figuring out how to pug it efficiently, people just went the easy way with an external discord, which is way more bothersome to set up though. Waiting hours for an instance to get all groups in ? Yeah sounds like a fun weekend to me.

[jameseoakes]

Generally we give a warning to clueless people (we already got the case) but that doesn't mean we d carry them to Ozma, because if you want to go to Ozma, in our discord, you have to do discovery runs first.

Also, I'm not bitter (I got my mount so to be honest at this point I m only doing this for people who don't have the kill) but I'm very firm about the sniping, because it is not a good behavior. And I especially frown when people actually think they are entitled to get the Ozma kill when they snipe a portal. But no, that's not how it works.



As someone who organize a lot of the runs for newcomers in BA in our discord, I think you get the wrong guy. And that doesn't prevent me from being very firmly against sniping because it is a huge lack of respect for the player who is sniped (see my previous post for explanation). there are no prerequisites to join the different discords and you can even build your own premade if you don't want to join these group, anything is better than simply takinga portal as a single player (at least in EU and NA datacenters).

No one is sniped, both people have equal right to the content.