Male Viera (BunBros) - We Want Them - With Heels!

[Cilia]

Actually they have been rewritten slightly leaving the forest no longer seems to make you an outcast to be shunned and i believe this was done to allow people to play Viera without fear they would be ostracized when we go to the Greatwood in 5.0 we also got way more lore on the males than any other game involving Viera, there is also the omission of the Foel Viera but given FF12:RW wiped them out no changes there if they aren't around.

(Maybe) lessening the stigma of leaving the village / forest and explaining what male Viera do with their lives isn't particularly significant.

They're still the exact same people from the exact same locale in the exact same region they are in Ivalice, with the exact same social structure and the exact same clans and the exact same attitude toward outsiders. They are the exact same people from Ivalice - just like people wanted. If that leads to the males being unplayable, well... careful what'cha wish for, I guess.

I still don't think that's the case, but whatevs...

[Crushnight]

(Maybe) lessening the stigma of leaving the village / forest and explaining what male Viera do with their lives isn't particularly significant.

It may seem like a small change but it actually has much bigger implications, Fran in ff12 was upset she couldn't hear the word of the forest anymore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB9wIXEQeNo (2:30 start here)
its the most emotional Fran gets in the entire game willingly and its because she fears she has been abandoned by her very home something no Viera in ffxiv post Garlemald occupation seems to have to worry about that anymore.

Another implication is when you change 1 society law it calls into question other ones look at Ishgard for evidence bringing to light the dragonsong war also called into question everything the schlosticate had been teaching causing muggings/threats on their students so its not impossible for Viera mothers to then go why should i send my son away to most likely die alone when it is now ok for me to leave and return to the forest.

The biggest change between ff12 Viera and ffxiv Viera is the empire in their respective games ffxiv Viera are forced to interact more with other races this absolutely will change how they start to view things within their society it always starts off small but the snowball effect will kick in.

[Iscah]

On the oddity of male Viera being indistinguishable from females until they reach puberty, I came across a text article relating to a documentary segment I'd seen a while back, about a village where there's a common genetic condition (possible but rare elsewhere) that can cause a developing baby in the womb to not respond to a particular hormone - so males don't develop proper anatomy, and appear female until puberty, at which point additional hormones trigger a very late development.

So, whether the writers are aware of this curious possibility or not, there's actually a very real scientific explanation for such a thing happening.

[Kalise]

So, whether the writers are aware of this curious possibility or not, there's actually a very real scientific explanation for such a thing happening.

Well... There's also the fact that in general, fetuses develop as female first, before the Y chromosome kicks in. Which is why men have nipples for example.

It's not that large a leap to have something where this process lasts beyond birth and until the influx of hormones caused by puberty.

The main oddity comes from the development of genitalia. Since, unless male Viera are born with female genitalia and then only get a wang once they hit puberty, this would be a pretty notable indicator of what sex a child is upon birth >.>

[LineageRazor]

There are plenty of real-life animals whose gender during childhood is difficult to distinguish. Mostly birds and lizards, but in a game where humans can have horns or tails, it's not outrageous to assume that "genitals internal until puberty" could be a trait for some humans, as well. Certainly, even with these real-life animals it IS possible to determine gender through careful examination - that's what chicken sexing is all about, after all. It's likely that the Viera COULD figure out whether their child is a male or female by carefully investigating the proper orifices, but don't bother for cultural reasons, or see it as morally wrong to do.

[JamiaHaab]

Jeez, why are y'all talking about genitalia? I think the "they live alone and die alone" "they simply do not exist to us" is what they want you to focus on. Unfortunately

[Iscah]

Jeez, why are y'all talking about genitalia? I think the "they live alone and die alone" "they simply do not exist to us" is what they want you to focus on. Unfortunately

Because it seems a weird concept that they can't be told apart as children? People keep being puzzled by it, or thinking it means that they're permanently indistinguishable from females.

There's more to thinking about what they'd be like than "we're never going to see them anyway".


(Also I've had that documentary in mind ever since we got that description, and think of it every time someone comments on how the males must look like females. I brought it up once before but had to do a vague "it was in this documentary but I don't remember the details or why it happens" - now I can point to an actual article explaining it.)

[Cilia]

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Regardless of what happens going forward, at present the Viera of XIV are near-identical to those from the Ivalice setting. They might not be carbon copies, but they are fundamentally the same on so many levels they might as well be.

I'm not fond of arguing minutiae or personal interpretations / theories, so I'll leave it at that.

Finally finished Babylonia in F/GO.

The whole battle with Tiamat was freakin' epic! To top it off, while Moriarty might not be my best Servant (I couldn't even get him to Stage 3 on account of being one Stinger short before clearing the Singularity) he survived the whole final battle and finished her off with his NP... only to then hysterically scream about cracking his hip.

I can see why they chose to make an anime out of it!

Jeez, why are y'all talking about genitalia? I think the "they live alone and die alone" "they simply do not exist to us" is what they want you to focus on. Unfortunately

You think that's bad? Try having to explain the particulars of reproductive organs functioning despite the size difference between male and female Au Ra.

Good times...

[Iscah]

You think that's bad? Try having to explain the particulars of reproductive organs functioning despite the size difference between male and female Au Ra.

Good times...

Well, evidently it happens, so "things fit together" and that's as much as I'd like to think about that topic.

It did occur to me some time ago that the height difference would greatly lower the chances of horns coming into contact with their partner's eyes, which is probably a helpful evolutionary survival trait.

[TarynH]

Basically, as long as you get to play your waifus, you're happy

Do you not find that even a little presumptuous? I have no physical attraction to my character. Nor do I find it to be comparative to a significant other. I find your comment and assumption quite reprehensible.

One could take the way you posed that question and throw it right back at you.

Why do Viera have to be female only?

Despite your insult, I'll attempt to answer your question. Even though it is a different question than my initial question.

The simple answer is they don't have to be female only. I even said in that same post you quoted that they'll probably add males too.

What I asked, though, is would it be so awful if they were female only? Does having it be female only change, or impact the game for anyone in any real sense? Does not having a male Viera break the game for anyone?

Will the world stop spinning? Will it tilt off its axis? Will the sun die? Will people wilt up like delicate flowers?

Because some people are acting like it's the end of the world.

Personally, I won't die over having no male Viera. I won't die if they get "heels." Whatever that means now (it's open to interpretation at this point). I did give my opinion on how I'd like them to look. Nothing wrong with that.

If they made a male only race, it still wouldn't be the end of the world for me. I wouldn't even care if there were genderless races. It's the choice of the devs, director, producer, company, or what have you; in any game. Perhaps lore forces them into a corner with it. Perhaps there are other various reasons for it. Whatever the case may be, I would not start a formal protest, or proclaim that I will "quit the game" as some have. Asking for them is okay, I guess. But without even having a definitive answer on not getting them, it seems a little silly.

Either way, I'll accept whatever they do in this matter. It won't kill me if they add male Viera. It won't kill me if they're female only.