Yotsuyu, Fordola, syndrom of "a good writting"? (spoil)

[Beckett]

I liked Yotsuyu and hate Fordola. They are both absolute monsters who are utterly irredeemable. The only difference is in how they're perceived by themselves and others.

Yotsuyu knows that she's a monster, she just doesn't give a crap. The world hurt her, so she's going to hurt back. That's obviously a terrible excuse, but at least she's honest with herself. Perhaps more importantly, none of the other story characters ever forgave her for her myriad of crimes. The only reason they didn't just instantly execute her is because while she was in their custody, she was arguably a completely different person.

Fordola is just as big of a monster, but she tries to hide her monstrous deeds behind a mask of honor. She's somehow convinced herself that siding with the empire and killing her own people is not only morally justified, it's actually good for the Ala Mhiggans! But unlike Yotsuyu, Fordola gets to live on, and in relative freedom at that. The story tries to paint her unjustifiable crimes as just a mistake of youth. "Oh you killed, beat and imprisoned your countrymen for years? And for what turned out was literally no reason at all? That's okay, we all make mistakes!"

Yotsuyu is a villain, and I can respect her as a villain. Fordola is just as bad, but she's supposed to be this weird anti-hero, and I can't respect her at all.

[Theodric]

Again, Fordola - as a little girl - saw her own people stone her father to death right before her very eyes. She had every reason not to be particularly fond of them.

[Alestorm]

I liked Yotsuyu and hate Fordola. They are both absolute monsters who are utterly irredeemable. The only difference is in how they're perceived by themselves and others.

Yotsuyu knows that she's a monster, she just doesn't give a crap. The world hurt her, so she's going to hurt back. That's obviously a terrible excuse, but at least she's honest with herself. Perhaps more importantly, none of the other story characters ever forgave her for her myriad of crimes. The only reason they didn't just instantly execute her is because while she was in their custody, she was arguably a completely different person.

Fordola is just as big of a monster, but she tries to hide her monstrous deeds behind a mask of honor. She's somehow convinced herself that siding with the empire and killing her own people is not only morally justified, it's actually good for the Ala Mhiggans! But unlike Yotsuyu, Fordola gets to live on, and in relative freedom at that. The story tries to paint her unjustifiable crimes as just a mistake of youth. "Oh you killed, beat and imprisoned your countrymen for years? And for what turned out was literally no reason at all? That's okay, we all make mistakes!"

Yotsuyu is a villain, and I can respect her as a villain. Fordola is just as bad, but she's supposed to be this weird anti-hero, and I can't respect her at all.

Who knows, we have one more major patch in Stormblood, we may get to see what becomes of Fordola. I bet she'll be redeemed somehow; probably through sacrificing herself to save Princess Peach.... er Lyse. (seriously Lyse has only been useful in terrifying some Namazu)

[Rhus]

Tsuyu deserved better

[Edax]

She's somehow convinced herself that siding with the empire and killing her own people is not only morally justified, it's actually good for the Ala Mhiggans!

Her own people killing her family had something to do with that. When Batman saw his parents murdered by a criminal of Gotham, he wasn't exactly endeared to the plight of criminals. No, he in fact spent the rest of his days ambushing them and punching them.

[Beckett]

Her own people killing her family had something to do with that. When Batman saw his parents murdered by a criminal of Gotham, he wasn't exactly endeared to the plight of criminals. No, he in fact spent the rest of his days ambushing them and punching them.

That's far more inline with Yotsuyu's way of thinking. Some Ala Mhigans did her harm, therefor all Ala Mhigans must suffer.

But that's not actually what Fordola's motivations are. She makes her countrymen suffer under the guise of helping them. Killing, imprisoning and allowing the rape of her own people while convincing herself it's for their own good is, even in the most positive light, extremely foolish. And it's okay to have a story where characters do foolish things, but it's not okay when those characters don't get proper punishments for their actions.

[Nestama]

That's far more inline with Yotsuyu's way of thinking. Some Ala Mhigans did her harm, therefor all Ala Mhigans must suffer.

But that's not actually what Fordola's motivations are. She makes her countrymen suffer under the guise of helping them. Killing, imprisoning and allowing the rape of her own people while convincing herself it's for their own good is, even in the most positive light, extremely foolish. And it's okay to have a story where characters do foolish things, but it's not okay when those characters don't get proper punishments for their actions.

Well she is being tormented by frequent Echo flashbacks showing her how much of a horrible person she was (or other things, depending on who she meets) and she knows for a fact that her actions were not what won her peoples freedom.

[Beckett]

Well she is being tormented by frequent Echo flashbacks showing her how much of a horrible person she was (or other things, depending on who she meets) and she knows for a fact that her actions were not what won her peoples freedom.

She should, at the very least, be imprisoned for the rest of her life. Instead, she gets to go on adventures with Arenvald while occasionally having reminders of her past misdeads.

Fordola is a monster, and the game keeps asking us to, if not forgive her, at least condone her.

[Kazhim]

The Warrior of Light has slaughtered far more individuals than both Fordola and Yotsuyu combined. It just so happens that people cheer on such carnage so long as the 'right' targets are dehumanised.

well i dont know

we cant really say we slain many people for the light, that always the paradox of game, uncharted show this main character cool but in gameplay just a fuking serial killer

i think ff14 already to give some reason to beastmen to exist and do what they do, it is already a good thing,
for the rest, well this is was against the empire, so yes people die in battle and our hero win, but cant say it is a free slain from unharmed people.

but to be honnest i dont like go kill amaljia or other beast tribe for hunt quest, even kill some bear lol, i feel like i m genocidar guy just for xp. but that a game after all.

[Kazhim]

Yotsuyu was really disappointing.

If her backstory was slowly revealed while she was still in a position of power it would have eased you into the "tragic villain" thing they were aiming for. Instead they just kind of dumped all of it on you after she became Tsuyu and promptly died like 10 quests later. It was a very hamfisted "oh no I did bad things because I suffered bad things please feel bad for me".
I was also hoping the kind of experiences she went through would make Hien take a deeper look into how his country and society works so there'd never be another Yotsuyu. Instead he just completely forgot everything that happened and life goes on as usual.

Fight was cool though.

I agree,

but i dont know it should be interpreted, for me that a choice to show that well society doesnt care so much of individual wealthy (mostly true in asia cause communy is more important than the person) of course Hien could took more action or thinking about this, but for me he did, by mentionning two time ; "your claim wont be forget" and " hard past cant justify crime of today" now on side of the main issues they meet, well they prolly put this on last, i think it is just because the game doesnt pretend to solve all social problem which can appear in a society, and for me, even if the "story" sounds classic, it deserve to speak about this topic on violence do on children, and slavery.