BA is the 2nd biggest waste of development time, only beaten by Diadem 2.0

[Tatsemaru]

With so much salt, i'd order some fries.

Personally i find BA interesting. Its fresh, it's challenging..
Only problem i see is the community. On one side you have people claiming the instance (in a rude manner) and on the other side you have people who is new and "snipe" portals..

Instead of asking people nicely to leave the portals until support portals are up, people threten to report each other, then you have people who got provoked, start "sniping" portals..like jesus..its just a game.

Nothing is impossible to "pug" i cleared ozma on first try. BA isnt that hard and its not the "warning" that scares people off..its the toxicity in the shout chat that makes people dishearthen to do so. Most people enter Ozma at 84-60 mins remaining, dont tell me you dont have time to type in say chat for people who dont use discord because thats just bad attitude, and frankly it's arrogant to expect people to have what you have. True discord works better, but the comunity shouldn't be such dicks about it. On BOTH sides.

SE, if people can enter it as an alliance, that'll be nice and hopefully ease up on the toxic

[Fate_Testarossa]

OP have a valid point. This is kind of content that very few players gonna attempt, therefore for a majority of players it's as good as non-existent and therefore waste of development time. And I'd like to add, same can be said about ultimate and savage.

That's about the least informed statement I have ever seen on this forum. Savage raids are what is most popular across every Data Center I have played on. It's literally the only thing that keeps this game alive. Aside from that both Savage and Ultimate progression is what garners the most attention on platforms like twitch and thus they are the lifeblood of this game. That's the kind of content players come back to and it's the kind of content that draws new players in. I'm not saying every player is a raider at heart, but saying Savage or Ultimate is a waste of development time is so wrong it hurts.

[Blanchimont]

That's about the least informed statement I have ever seen on this forum. Savage raids are what is most popular across every Data Center I have played on. It's literally the only thing that keeps this game alive. Aside from that both Savage and Ultimate progression is what garners the most attention on platforms like twitch and thus they are the lifeblood of this game. That's the kind of content players come back to and it's the kind of content that draws new players in. I'm not saying every player is a raider at heart, but saying Savage or Ultimate is a waste of development time is so wrong it hurts.

The thing is, Savage and Ultimate have extremely low clear rates, which is why they can be considered a waste of time for some people. You have to consider the amount of time that goes into designing one of these raids and what is lost in exchange for it. I would argue Ultimate would be a waste of time considering how small the participation base is for it. Ultimate is great for a small population, but the problem is that the target population is just too small and that time could be better spent elsewhere. Savage at least has a large enough population that participates in it that can at least be somewhat justified.

The same applies to Eureka as a whole as well. Considering that this is meant to be the end game grind for it, the 11% or so clear rate for Pyros at the time of Hydatos's release is disappointing. I hope they never try something like Diadem or Eureka again and go back to a relic system that utilizes the content that was introduced in that expansion. Better yet, have relic progress be viable across all content from all expansions.

[Crux]

The same applies to Eureka as a whole as well. Considering that this is meant to be the end game grind for it, the 11% or so clear rate for Pyros at the time of Hydatos's release is disappointing. I hope they never try something like Diadem or Eureka again and go back to a relic system that utilizes the content that was introduced in that expansion. Better yet, have relic progress be viable across all content from all expansions.

What does "clear rate" even mean for Pyros? Getting the weapon, weapon and gear? Killing all NM's? Also, source please. There are tons of people doing the content. This is the first relic I have completed all the way through (so far) because the content is so much better than the other relic grinds. I hope they never implement things like ATMA and farming for books again.

[Duskane]

What does "clear rate" even mean for Pyros? Getting the weapon, weapon and gear? Killing all NM's? Also, source please. There are tons of people doing the content. This is the first relic I have completed all the way through (so far) because the content is so much better than the other relic grinds. I hope they never implement things like ATMA and farming for books again.

[Relic weapon achievement] and making the most of [eureka area]

[HyperiusUltima]

The thing is, Savage and Ultimate have extremely low clear rates, which is why they can be considered a waste of time for some people. You have to consider the amount of time that goes into designing one of these raids and what is lost in exchange for it. I would argue Ultimate would be a waste of time considering how small the participation base is for it. Ultimate is great for a small population, but the problem is that the target population is just too small and that time could be better spent elsewhere. Savage at least has a large enough population that participates in it that can at least be somewhat justified.

Look at it this way: TIME INVESTMENT.

Everything in the game has that. Savage, Ultimate, and Eureka take Time Investment and Skill to complete. Chances are, some people are scared of trying harder content because of how they may be perceived by others.

Regarding Baldesion Arsenal however, this was actually the most fun I’ve had in a raid in a LONG TIME. No Revival(outside Sac Chaining and Remembered) and High Stakes. The amount of teamwork it took to complete Baldesion Arsenal is akin to how you’d do it in Savage or Ultimate, and it’s merely counting on 54 different players for AV. Would you trust 7 others and yourself to take the time to learn? Or would you rather do something else? It’s a matter of what people choose.

[Jennah]

This is the first relic I've ever skipped, because the content is so mind-numbing and finger-destroying. It doesn't matter if it takes fewer hours than the ARR/HW versions to get a Eureka weapon if every second inside is soul-annihilating torture.

[HyperiusUltima]

This is the first relic I've ever skipped, because the content is so mind-numbing and finger-destroying. It doesn't matter if it takes fewer hours than the ARR/HW versions to get a Eureka weapon if every second inside is soul-annihilating torture.

It gets fun once you get to Pyros.

[Lambdafish]

The thing is, Savage and Ultimate have extremely low clear rates, which is why they can be considered a waste of time for some people.

Participation rates and watch rates are far more important than clear rates. Let me ask you, what would you replace savage with? Because if you replace it with casual content then nobody has anything to aim towards. The entire gearing process is based around savage and ultimate, and removing the challenge altogether makes stats worthless, gear worthless outside of glamour and would make the play experience for MANY players sub for a week then unsub because all content is beaten.

In other words, Savage keeps players playing, holds together the reward structure with a final goal, and garners a lot of attention on release of people watching and being interested in the game. Being fixated on the CLEAR rates is so short sighted because it implies that just because only a few reach the finish, then the journey might as well not exist in the first place.

As it stands, both Savage and Ultimate share assets with casual content, what are the clear rates for NM raids like? because thats more than half the assets that you are claiming are wasted.

[Relic weapon achievement] and making the most of [eureka area]

My above statement applies to this as well, why is the end goal completion rate important? The absolute ideal result is actually to have low clear rates but high participation rates, because people stop doing content after they finish it, and then maybe unsub. SE wants people to keep participating, making it the only stat that matters.

[Liam_Harper]

The thing is, Savage and Ultimate have extremely low clear rates, which is why they can be considered a waste of time for some people. You have to consider the amount of time that goes into designing one of these raids and what is lost in exchange for it.

Unlike Eureka, Savage doesn't cost resources at a loss like that.

After they create and design Savage, they go on to use the same instance to create Normal difficulty. Therefore the Savage instance is utilized to create content for casual players. Ultimate in the same way, while very different for the EX counterpart, still isn't entirely unique new content. They build new content from the existing EX fights.

If you removed Savage from the game, you'd only save a little resources, because Normal would have to be created anyway, so they're still making the same raids. While the entirety of the resources poured into Eureka and BA are used on one mode alone, targeted towards a niche grind-based playerbase.