Minfillia, Lysa, the syndrom of "useless blond"? (spoil)

[Kazhim]

Hello

I would like hear some people about the use and the write of those two character.

Some how i d say Lysa replace Minfilia in her role of "navel show off" girl and "useless" to plot.

I will lie if i say that i like Minfilia, i meant, this character first has no use at all in the whole story, i find her dress kinda "too much" and not very serious, also her voice in my version is Obnoxious. So when she passed away, i was happpy, and when we meet her in the sea of stars, i almost loud of laugh. She was so weird and ridiculous, and once again, so useless.

All other character of the dawn have a use in the plot, a role to play, a moment where we know they are here for something.
But meh, Minfilia, just give "order" do not fight, do not study, do not look for answer, cant we imagine, more useless character really?

For me there is a mess up in this character, totally forgettable.

And then Lysa, is worst than Yda, which i regret somehow,
Like minfilia, she is blond, and show her navel to all. (tell me the point of this outfit again? cant we be serious 2 min, other caracter are designed with something which match up with their job or their personnality or role in the story)

And same as Minfilia, she is useless, each time she speak it is to complain herself, or give some unpolite comment in the scene, like if people care of her mind. I just feel her as a turist when she is in the scene, instead of the Louisoix childhood, or other character of Othard, she does nothing to make progress the narrative.

2 character if they were missing, the game wont suffer.

What are you thought about?

thx for your attention.

[Enla]

Honestly I feel like Lyse is the biggest casualty of the expansion. First they dropped everything that had been established with Yda, setting the character back to ground zero in terms of the needed characterization they had to put forth to get us to care about the character. Then they decided to essentially split focus for the expansion and by the time they /finally/ decided to get back to Lyse's main conflict in the story they had precious little time to actually deliver a full and satisfying story. Her arc up through the Steppes isn't bad. She's annoying, yes, but I can get behind annoying characters so long as they have an arc that allows them to grow as the story demands. The issue is that the second they come back to Ala Mhigo they essentially decided to skip what amounted to Steps 4-8 in her character arc and jump right to the climax. A climax which is further undercut by them giving key moments that should have added to Lyse's story to Raubahn and Pippin, two essentially bit parts compared to the 'main character' of the expansion.

It should have been Lyse helping to plan the attack, not leaving everything to Raubahn. It should have been her leading the charge into the city. Not Pippin who we legit had only seen nearly five times up to this point in the entire game. She helps in the lab, but that's with /our/ aid and she's basically useless against Zenos, save for some angry posturing. She's a bit part in even her most important moments. Thus we're left with a character that should have been important to the story, who had all their potential cut half way because SE forgot to pace themselves properly and manage their growing roster of characters.

It's a damn shame too as Lyse had a good bit of potential... It's especially sad that they kept doubling down on their bad handling of her character in the subsequent patches... 4.1 in particular was a moment I lost a lot of respect for the writers of this game due both to how they handled Lyse again, and their completely ignoring established lore for the sake of drama.

[purgatori]

Totally disagree. Or, at least, mostly disagree. I always liked Minfilia, but I wanted for her to be a more active agent in storyline development (and Alphinaud & Alisaie less so). Lyse/Yda, on the other hand, I always liked, and I was thrilled by her ditching the mask and dependence upon Papalymo to resume her destiny as a leader of the Ala'Mhigan resistance. Not sure why people felt this was incongruous with her character, given how much foreshadowing was done in ARR, but hey, perhaps that's because I played through a lot of that story in one go whereas for others who have stuck around for longer periods of time there were long gaps between story developments. In both cases, though, the terms "useless blond" I feel are not apt at all---even if I don't like them nearly as much as Y'Shtola, one of my favourite FF characters of all time.

[Enla]

Totally disagree. Or, at least, mostly disagree. I always liked Minfilia, but I wanted for her to be a more active agent in storyline development (and Alphinaud & Alisaie less so). Lyse/Yda, on the other hand, I always liked, and I was thrilled by her ditching the mask and dependence upon Papalymo to resume her destiny as a leader of the Ala'Mhigan resistance. Not sure why people felt this was incongruous with her character, given how much foreshadowing was done in ARR, but hey, perhaps that's because I played through a lot of that story in one go whereas for others who have stuck around for longer periods of time there were long gaps between story developments. In both cases, though, the terms "useless blond" I feel are not apt at all---even if I don't like them nearly as much as Y'Shtola, one of my favourite FF characters of all time.

It's less that it wasn't foreshadowed and more that they basically made more work for themselves from a story perspective that honestly could have been devoted to give her better traction in the story at large. Time spent playing catch up to familiarize people with a character whose dropped their proverbial mask is also time lost that could be spent on their arc moving forward. A fact which wouldn't have mattered if her arc, and to be fair pretty much everyone's arc save perhaps Hien's, had been handled better. They made a mistake not getting people more on board with Lyse as she is meant to be in the last patches of Heavensward. It would have given them a lot more breathing room.

[Kacho_Nacho]

Personally, I felt it a shame when the devs decided to ditch Yda and replace her with Lyse, someone we knew nothing about. What was worse was the Scions seemed okay with it. Um... excuse me?

I have no idea why Yda couldn't have dropped her mask and become the leader of the resistance. Lyse seemed to be inserted just for the sake of inserting a new character.

[purgatori]

Personally, I felt it a shame when the devs decided to ditch Yda and replace her with Lyse, someone we knew nothing about. What was worse was the Scions seemed okay with it. Um... excuse me?

I have no idea why Yda couldn't have dropped her mask and become the leader of the resistance. Lyse seemed to be inserted just for the sake of inserting a new character.

Um, new character?? Lyse is the development of the person whose name we thought was Yda---not a 'new character.'

[SannaR]

How would Lyse come up with a really good battle strat? She doesn't know much in the way of those types of things. As a smart leader she left it in the hands of two people she knew could come up with one and who had not only connections, but respect. The poor girl is dealing with a friend's death and trying to figure out the best way to approach things because she knows said friend would have chided her for not having done so.

Minfillia on the other hand suffers from doing a lot of things off camera and for the most part having the shown useful bits having happened in 1.0. I doubt a lot of people would have liked it if before 2.5 we had a lot of cut scenes with her busy on a linkpearl giving the wol the "just one minute" gesture to the wol while the wol just stood there and listened to a one sided conversation about scout reports and what not.

[Enla]

How would Lyse come up with a really good battle strat? She doesn't know much in the way of those types of things. As a smart leader she left it in the hands of two people she knew could come up with one and who had not only connections, but respect. The poor girl is dealing with a friend's death and trying to figure out the best way to approach things because she knows said friend would have chided her for not having done so.

Minfillia on the other hand suffers from doing a lot of things off camera and for the most part having the shown useful bits having happened in 1.0. I doubt a lot of people would have liked it if before 2.5 we had a lot of cut scenes with her busy on a linkpearl giving the wol the "just one minute" gesture to the wol while the wol just stood there and listened to a one sided conversation about scout reports and what not.

Then why is she in charge of the Resistance? It literally comes down to who her father was in the text, which smacked as a 'we wrote ourselves into a corner' move when it happens, but in practice they skipped literal chunks of development that would have made her worthy of that role. Why would she do it? Because she has been elevated to a position where pulling her own weight is required of her for people not to /die/. Understandable from a character standpoint or not it's BAD writing at best and makes no sense at worst. Take her out of her role as Resistance leader and what changes? Her giving an inspiring speech after we defeat Zenos? Because everything leading up to that could have been done just as well without her being elevated to a position she wasn't suited for. A fact that's doubly apparent when she forgets the Ifrit incident from ARR where the Flame soldiers that came with you literally had to be killed because they were tempered and nearly dooms Ala Mhigo proper in the interest of being a brainless idiot with the Ananta. She is /exactly/ in the same position as Minfillia in being given undo praise for doing basically nothing on screen. Except at least Minfillia does stuff when we're not there. Lyse is with us the entire time during Stormblood and does not have that luxury. And just like Minfillia no one calls her out on it.

In actuality these are all the symptoms of bad writing and the writers forgetting their own lore. Yet that doesn't change the fact that Lyse basically does nothing, gets rewarded and treated like a hero, and has an unfulfilling arc that peeters out with a whimper rather than a roar.

[shao32]

My problem with Lyse she feel strange, I can get certain points but it's no the kind character you put in charge of anything, if I was part of the resistance I will follow raubahn or even pippin not lyse, I think Lyse it's just excessively naive or something, it's like Yda never exist and she lacks something.

As for minfilia well it's just minfilia, I more concern about what we will see in shadowbringers and why we should care about her.

[Shougun]

Was a bit sad Raubahn wasn't leading. He's one of my favorite characters. I don't hate Lyse or Yda or Minfillia but if they get captured and someone says they're in another castle I'd just be like "lol, that sucks for them" and not worry about it.. Like a Fallout 4 "your child is missing, do you choose to go save them or spend the next 400 hours doing literally anything else?" XD.

Meanwhile trap Raubahn or Nanamo and we can look into releasing the black rose onto the whole of the Garlean empire :3. Might be bias in that I just like being an Immortal Flame as well though.