[Request] Opt out of the Echo buff via Duty Finder

[Rongway]

As much as I'd love to agree with you, I can't. As someone who spends a lot of time doing echoless runs, and other unusual things, the capacity for people to not understand simple instructions amazes me.

I don't know how many other ways I can say, "If they don't know how to turn off the echo, they obviously don't want to do an Echo-less run".

If you have to explain it, they're not your target audience. On join, confirm that they want to fight without Echo. If they're there because they want to run without Echo, they will already understand what you mean. If they don't understand, replace them.

It's about that simple. If you don't want to explain or feel like you can't explain, then don't. Your goals and their goals are not the same.

[Grann-Goro]

I don't know how many other ways I can say, "If they don't know how to turn off the echo, they obviously don't want to do an Echo-less run".

If you have to explain it, they're not your target audience.

Again, that's not THAT simple....

In my experience, a good number of people really ARE interested by Echo-less run, but only after you reveal to them its existence and/or that it can be removed.

Some people don't even know that Echo exists, but once they know, they are ok to remove it.
Some people know that Echo exists and would like to turn it off, but they simply don't know it's possible or how to do it.
... And in that case, we loose a lot of time to explain all of this (especially if multiple people in the group are concerned, or when there's a language barrier).

And here I only talked about random groups.

The thing is that this Echo is ALSO very annoying with static groups !

Having to think to turn this damn thing off and to check every member of the group every five minutes (after each try) is very frustrating in the long run !
(You don't know how much until you've experienced it...)

And besides all of this, I tell it once more :
Even if the Echo has a good purpose in normal sync, it has absolutely no purpose in minimum item level and shouln't even exist in this mode !

[Rongway]

In my experience, a good number of people really ARE interested by Echo-less run, but only after you reveal to them its existence and/or that it can be removed.

Yes, but if you can't explain how it works to someone, then you don't want to run min-iLv raids/trials with them. Because if you can't explain something as simple as 'type /statusoff "the Echo"' or 'right-click the muscle pose buff' then you won't be able to communicate effective mechanics, and running raids/trials at min-iLv without effective communication is just asking for a bad time. So I stand by my judgement.

Even if the Echo has a good purpose in normal sync, it has absolutely no purpose in minimum item level and shouln't even exist in this mode !

There may be some people who want to run min-iLv and still benefit from echo. Do you agree that this is a good reason to keep it? Probably not. But it's conceivable that some people might want that. Your solution would exclude them from running the content the way they want. Leaving things the way they are doesn't exclude you from doing the content the way you want, much as it may inconvenience you to run it your way.

[Grann-Goro]

Yes, but if you can't explain how it works to someone, then you don't want to run min-iLv raids/trials with them. Because if you can't explain something as simple as 'type /statusoff "the Echo"' or 'right-click the muscle pose buff' then you won't be able to communicate effective mechanics, and running raids/trials at min-iLv without effective communication is just asking for a bad time.

That's not true.
Normal trials/raids can be done without real communication about mechanics, even in minimum item level.
When I do this kind of trials/raids, we spend sometimes more time explaining the "Echo thing" than completing the trial itself...

Of course, if I want to do harder content than normal, I will create a specific group for it.
But then, the "other" problem comes into play :

Having to think to turn this damn thing off and to check every member of the group every five minutes (after each try) is very frustrating in the long run !

So an option in the duty finder to completely diseable the Echo would be a great thing.