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    Quote Originally Posted by Freyt View Post
    The irony is palpable.

    On one side you have everyone simply trying to promote good values and free speech, with clear and succinct rules. I for one wouldn't mind harsher rules and harsher penalties, just as long as it's clear what is and isn't against the rules, and promotes truth and good behavior, rather than emotions and politically correct behavior.

    On the other side you have people who make their point by arguing in the exact manner that the new rules say not to do, by rejecting others opinions completely with no reasoning, by accusing the other side of wrongdoing for simply have a different opinion than themselves, and even using aggressive language to try and force their point.

    And ironically, the side that is against the new rules are against the rules that state the other side shouldn't behave like this, despite that if it were enforced here and now that it would completely eliminate their side. A few would remain to be sure. There are respectable posters on any side of any disagreement, but their voice would quickly be drowned out without the many disrespectful posters to back them up.
    But doesn't the fact that nothing will happen to them even though they're breaking the new rules kinda vindicate their assertion that people are overreacting?

    Like here, check this out: I unilaterally reject your opinion that these rule changes are a bad thing, because I don't think they in fact are.

    If you believe what I just said violates the new TOS, you can report me if you want, I guess, but I guarantee you nothing is going to come of it, because the mods aren't robots compelled to follow the rules as written without context, nor are they foaming at the mouth to ban people with little provocation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emstidor View Post
    But doesn't the fact that nothing will happen to them even though they're breaking the new rules kinda vindicate their assertion that people are overreacting?

    Like here, check this out: I unilaterally reject your opinion that these rule changes are a bad thing, because I don't think they in fact are.

    If you believe what I just said violates the new TOS, you can report me if you want, I guess, but I guarantee you nothing is going to come of it, because the mods aren't robots compelled to follow the rules as written without context, nor are they foaming at the mouth to ban people with little provocation.
    Literally this whole entire discussion has been about selective moderation being the biggest concern. On the flip side to all of this for a forum mod to NOT moderate this particular thread too heavily no matter the rules would earn them at least some of my respect. Discussion of these rules is a fairly big deal, and no one should want to be seen stifling such a conversation.

    I'm not in the habit of reporting people regardless. You'd know that if you understood the point I was trying to make, that many of us on my side of the argument are trying to protect players like you from unfair judgement. ("but if it's unfair you recognize it's not against the rules?" or something like that I'm sure might be your next response, I'm not gonna bother replying to that if it is. Arguments like that aren't clever, they're just tiresome.)

    Quote Originally Posted by NessaWyvern View Post
    That being said, western cultures do tend to be less trusting of authority in general, (which in my personal opinion is a good thing) . Everybody here knows of when GMs mess up, like when a GM banned someone off the forums, because the GM thought a Lightning gif was a gif of the player irl.

    Many people like to know exactly what they are signing up for, leaving rules vague leaves room for doubt, where we would have to blindly trust that the GMs know what they are doing.
    And many of us just can't put our trust in stuff like that. Not when we hear so many horror stories from other people and other games.

    I have been playing this game for around 5 years, without any warnings, and the vagueness of the rules leaves me a bit uneasy. Maybe I won't get any warnings, but my friends who talk a bit more roughly might.
    I have a feeling that Japanese aren't left wanting of ways to express themselves. We can indulge in talking about violence, something 99% of people don't want, while sex is completely off limits, something everybody wants. I'm not about to ask for censorship of violence, but it does feel a bit backwards.
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    Last edited by Freyt; 02-16-2019 at 10:51 AM.