Regarding the Revision of the Prohibited Activities and Account Penalty Policy

[MistakeNot]

Inappropriate method of assistance: You're just standing around 80% of the time and not doing anything. (This is derogatory and offensive - it also inflicts emotional distress)

That would in no way be derogatory, and if the accusation is true it would not be offensive either.

[linay]

Sorry, I did not realize you edited your post.

Why would the tank have to concede? How is larger pulls “obstructive behavior”? Tiraelina said that you have to deal with the hand you’re dealt with in roulettes... except apparently in the case of this healer? Where they are allowed to now dictate the pace of the tank/party? The tank is suddenly the one who has to deal, but why is this not being applied to the healer? What makes them exempt from “dealing with the hand you’re dealt with”?

If you reverse the situation to where it is the tank that wants small pulls and it is the healer/DPS that wants bigger pull, I would say it is the healer/DPS that should probably concede. The reasoning is the same as I've stated before. Pulling more than the party can handle can cause a wipe, which would obstruct the run for the entire party.

I also only say "probably" because it is under the assumption where only two people are in disagreement. If the other party members are in agreement with one side, then there is always the option to vote kick if no one is willing to compromise.

But here's the point: If neither side wants to compromise/leave, a vote kick for both side fails because the rest of the party is neutral, and both sides decide to report the other, then I would say the one that wants to pull more would be in the wrong (especially if party has tried bigger pulls and there has been a wipe). At the end of the day, small pulls would still get the job done, even if slower.

[HyoMinPark]

Politely teaching people that are receptive to your teaching is perfectly fine. But making someone feel bad or inflicting emotional distress on someone because you're making them feel bad for not AOEing enough, standing around(being lazy), or not using enough cool downs is not right. It's all about the way you present your self to them.

Appropriate method for assistance: Hey, would you mind if I made some suggestions regarding your Job? (if they agree then proceed)

Inappropriate method of assistance: You're just standing around 80% of the time and not doing anything. (This is derogatory and offensive - it also inflicts emotional distress)

So it seems that there is an area of this that we can agree on. I do not condone berating people for anything. However, simply saying:

“[DPS], can you please use your AOE ability so that things die faster?”
or
“[Tank], if you are going to pull a lot, can you please use cooldowns while doing so? You are taking a lot of damage, and they will help mitigate that.” (Or, alternatively after a wipe: “[Tank], [ability] is that boss’ tankbuster. Can you try to use a cooldown with it so that you will not get killed by it?”
or
“[Healer], Chaos isn’t doing a lot right now. Do you mind throwing some Stones/Broils/Malefics? We’ll kill him even faster with your contribution.”

Are not offensive statements. And they are not berating the player.

[NanaWiloh]

STOP!


You're under addressed, I mean... Arrest!

rofl I know why your arresting him, let me find a curtain and some ear muffs

[Anger]

So it seems that there is an area of this that we can agree on. I do not condone berating people for anything. However, simply saying:

“[DPS], can you please use your AOE ability so that things die faster?”
or
“[Tank], if you are going to pull a lot, can you please use cooldowns while doing so? You are taking a lot of damage, and they will help mitigate that.” (Or, alternatively after a wipe: “[Tank], [ability] is that boss’ tankbuster. Can you try to use a cooldown with it so that you will not get killed by it?”
or
“[Healer], Chaos isn’t doing a lot right now. Do you mind throwing some Stones/Broils/Malefics? We’ll kill him even faster with your contribution.”

Are not offensive statements. And they are not berating the player.

Yes, I agree with you.

I have played a lot of MMORPGs and some people will get offended if you say " Can you play better " (obviously in different variations).

People respond better to politeness. The same can be said IRL in a work place.

Lets say someone works in a doughnut shop. Saying "You need to get these doughnuts out faster or you're fired" is pretty hostile.

But saying "Hey guys, lets work together to get these doughnuts out a little bit quicker because we're really slammed this morning!" will net better results.

Studies have shown that politeness improves efficiency.

[JDR]

This is going to accomplish the opposite of what they are trying to do. Instead of people working out their differences or simply blacklisting, now you will have an overly sensitive vocal minority reporting everyone every time their feelers get a little hurt. The devs won't be deciding these as it would simply be too much for them so this will be put into the customer service branch and can easily be interpreted(since many of these policies are subjective) to punish anyone that is not lock step with the SJW narrative. Thus people will communicate less, and walk on eggshells, not more. Lastly, this game already
has one of the best communities in gaming, so none of this is really needed and the previous policy was working rather well. Bad move and I hope they will come to their senses, but I doubt it. Already questioning if I should resub.

[Anger]

This is going to accomplish the opposite of what they are trying to do. Instead of people working out their differences or simply blacklisting, now you will have an overly sensitive vocal minority reporting everyone every time their feelers get a little hurt. The devs won't be deciding these as it would simply be too much for them so this will be put into the customer service branch and can easily be interpreted(since many of these policies are subjective) to punish anyone that is not lock step with the SJW narrative. Thus people will communicate less, and walk on eggshells, not more. Lastly, this game already
has one of the best communities in gaming, so none of this is really needed and the previous policy was working rather well. Bad move and I hope they will come to their senses, but I doubt it. Already questioning if I should resub.

World of Warcraft has been in decline and a lot of WoW refugees have been arriving here especially with the promotions SE has been putting out.

I believe SE is trying to preserve the community and these rules are to prevent the game from turning toxic like WoW can be.

[Gemina]

I mean that's just your opinion, right? Do you have any further information that I haven't been made aware of? A nice distinguished line would really help to make your case here. I could see what kinds of behavior I'm not supposed to venture into, but it's so hard to tell right now.

Why is it so difficult? Perhaps your etiquette is already questionable and that's why it's so ambiguous to you. None of these ToS changes concern me personally, or leave me wandering around aimlessly in some grey area. Do you want to know why? It's because I'm not a douche. When I log into the game I respect everyone until they give me a reason not to. And in that unfortunate case, which is VERY few in number, I simply choose to no longer associate myself with this player.

Of course I mentioned penalties rather than bans. Those penalties will eventually add up to bans, however. Am I emotionally distressing you at the moment? I'm sorry if I am.

Nope. Not at all. But I'll certainly point out how condescending this comment is, which is suggestive to the type of player you are in the game. Perhaps you do have to be worried after all.

I'm not some thin-skinned snowflake who uses whatever leverage I can find to get other players in trouble. I've been harassed, and stalked in this game. I've been called a slut because I refused another player's invitation to go out on a date, among other acts that would easily warrant corrective action. I didn't report any of them even though I probably should have. Not trying to sound like a Mary Sue here; I am far from one, but b-listing, setting status to busy, and/or just avoiding /tells or other means to communicate has always worked for me. It's unfortunate that these methods have not worked for others, and the devs felt like they had to intervene in our day to day activities.

I'll tell you one thing that is ambiguous to me right now though. All of these complaints throughout this thread; I am not sure if they are concerned about players living in safe spaces, or if they are indeed coming from the players living in those safe spaces.

[JDR]

I understand the reasoning, a simply think this will not accomplish their goal, and its unnecessary, as the FFXIV community does a pretty decent job of stopping toxicity on it's own. At least in my experience.

[Gemina]

Q: When was the last time you walked up to someone gathering from the same nodes you are and started up a conversation? A: Every day
Q: How about they to you? A: Every other day

"Just like irl, players prefer to communicate with others they know, and not strangers."
I enjoy meeting new people... and speaking to them... ergo communicating with strangers.

That's fine, but you understand that this isn't commonplace, correct? The questions were rhetorical because most players know this already.

That said, I do think that is really cool you reach out to other players like that, and I wish more would do so, myself included.