Regarding the Revision of the Prohibited Activities and Account Penalty Policy

[Melichoir]

It only takes an overzealous GM banning someone with followers to cause heavy damage to games like these.

If there was a twitch streamer that was incredibly popular who get banned from playing FFXIV for telling another player to pick it up, or telling an off color joke to a friend but mispoke it in the wrong chat, and GMs banned their account over someoen taking offense, that is going to hurt the brand hard.

Again, I think people are fine with more GM intervention on certain issues, but I think the issue is the broadness and vague language of the TOS opens it up to abuse by those who are either perpetually offended or those with an axe to grind against others. We should, as players, have the right to critique and criticize how other players play the game. This doesnt mean slinging ad-hominem attacks or harassing and going out of your way to make their life hell, but we should have the ability to tell players "Hey, the way you play isnt great. It slows everything down and makes it more difficult for other players. You really should learn to play better." But under the new ToS, that can be construed as an offense worth GM intervention. Thats an issue. Well one of them.

[HyoMinPark]

It's offensive to me.

I appreciate you proving the points I’ve been trying to make during my time in this thread.

I think I am a reasonable person and my level of sensitivity shouldn't be your concern. What should be your concern is abiding by the rules.

The problem is, is that the rules cater to too broad a “level of sensitivity”. Your level of sensitivity seems far higher than mine based on our discourse over DPS AOEing, healer DPS, and tanks using basic cooldowns. I’m not offending by someone telling me to AOE 10 mobs, contribute as a healer, or to use my CDs.

[Anger]

You know, seeing your posts makes me finally understand what type of person I was beginning to argue with gg. You ARE the overly sensitive demographic I do not want abusing these rules. If someone wants to actively help you improve then it is not offensive. I learned so much on how to dragoon and sch by randos but its people like you who will cut this knowledge off out of fear of being punished. I feel sorry for the up in coming players. Because unless they have a well rounded fc they may never know that they are not playing their classes optimally because someone on the internet thinks that criticism equals being rude.

I think I am a reasonable person and my level of sensitivity shouldn't be your concern. What should be your concern is abiding by the rules.

[Dragoonfyre]

They can't action anything unless it's reported. And then you need proof of offense. Teaching someone is different from degrading them for not playing the way you want them too.

[WaterShield]

I think I am a reasonable person and my level of sensitivity shouldn't be your concern. What should be your concern is abiding by the rules.

The rules that state

"■Nuisance behaviour
"Nuisance behaviour" means speech or behaviour that hurts others or obstructs game play, but which is not classified as harassment. Even if it was not the intention, a penalty may be imposed if the end result was that another person was hurt or obstructed.


・Expressions that any reasonable person would find offensive

You are a reasonable person according to you.

Ergo... we very much care what you (and everyone's) level of sensitivity is, as that is what determines if we are breaking the rules or not now.

[Anger]

They can't action anything unless it's reported. And then you need proof of offense. Teaching someone is different from degrading them for not playing the way you want them too.

Politely teaching people that are receptive to your teaching is perfectly fine. But making someone feel bad or inflicting emotional distress on someone because you're making them feel bad for not AOEing enough, standing around(being lazy), or not using enough cool downs is not right. It's all about the way you present your self to them.

Appropriate method for assistance: Hey, would you mind if I made some suggestions regarding your Job? (if they agree then proceed)

Inappropriate method of assistance: You're just standing around 80% of the time and not doing anything. (This is derogatory and offensive - it also inflicts emotional distress)

[Lium]

You know, seeing your posts makes me finally understand what type of person I was beginning to argue with gg. You ARE the overly sensitive demographic I do not want abusing these rules. If someone wants to actively help you improve then it is not offensive. I learned so much on how to dragoon and sch by randos but its people like you who will cut this knowledge off out of fear of being punished. I feel sorry for the up in coming players. Because unless they have a well rounded fc they may never know that they are not playing their classes optimally because someone on the internet thinks that criticism equals being rude.

The person you're quoting can report all they want. Nothing will happen to anyone he/she reports. Especially if the GMs see that someone was merely giving him/her some protips.

[NanaWiloh]

They can't action anything unless it's reported. And then you need proof of offense. Teaching someone is different from degrading them for not playing the way you want them too.

World would be a better place if more people grasp this idea.

[WaterShield]

Politely teaching people that are receptive to your teaching is perfectly fine. But making someone feel bad or inflicting emotional distress on someone because you're making them feel bad for not AOEing enough, standing around(being lazy), or not using enough cool downs is not right. It's all about the way you present your self to them.

Appropriate method for assistance: Hey, would you mind if I made some suggestions regarding your Job? (if they agree then proceed)

Inappropriate method of assistance: You're just standing around 80% of the time and not doing anything. (This is derogatory and offensive - it also inflicts emotional distress)

More like

Appropriate method for assistance: #1 Healing needed in this game is low, this gives you lots of opportunity to contribute damage to speed up the run. (Assuming you were using healer dps as the example)
#2 Holy is helpful when we are attacking lots of monsters.
#3 Using AOE abilities is more useful when attacking lots of monsters.

Inappropriate method of assistance:#1 You're a waste of space and should have been aborted. Insert racist / cancer etc.... : basically being absolutely vile.
#2 You're being carried since you don't seem to understand that you should be using AOE : being more than low key rude
#3 Use AOE moron : Just being generally insulting for no reason

[Anselmet]

I think I am a reasonable person and my level of sensitivity shouldn't be your concern. What should be your concern is abiding by the rules.

LOL! And your true colors are here. Watch out now! Anger might report us all for telling him his paladin isn't using enough cds. Which btw, as sch I find highly offensive. Guess this will be a quick draw in which of us get to a GM first.