Regarding the Revision of the Prohibited Activities and Account Penalty Policy

[HyoMinPark]

I CTRL+F'd "offend" in the prohibited activities article and that word isn't used once.

The word “offensive” is used quite a bit, though. And, generally, if one finds something to be offensive, that means usually means that they are offended by it. Don’t be obtuse.

There's a vast difference between someone being "offended" and "having deep emotional distress inflicted upon them".

I think things are being misconstrued a bit here.

You also cannot provide a concrete measure for “deep emotional distress”, as it varies significantly between individuals.

[Anger]

The word “offensive” is used quite a bit, though. And, generally, if one finds something to be offensive, that means usually means that they are offended by it. Don’t be obtuse.

Yes, but it isn't stating "if you're offended" it's stating if something was offensive and: inflicts emotional distress

Example of something offensive that wouldn't inflict emotional distress: I do not like your glam.

Example of something offensive that inflicts emotional distress: berating them, or telling them to play a specific way.

[WaterShield]

Yes, but it isn't stating "if you're offended" it's stating if something was offensive and: inflicts emotional distress

Offensive things tend to distress me. Emotionally that is. One could even say it inflicts the distress.

[HyoMinPark]

Yes, but it isn't stating "if you're offended" it's stating if something was offensive and: "Offensive expression" means an expression in general that inflicts emotional distress by being offensive to another person. Offensive expression may include:

See my reply: how do you measure this “emotional distress”? There is no concrete value for it. It varies between persons.

And you’re still being obtuse. If someone is going to report something as offensive, it probably means that they were directly offended by it. Why else would they be reporting it? You aren’t allowed to file reports on the behalf of a third party—the GMs will disregard it because it’s not being sent by the person involved.

Example of something offensive that wouldn't inflict emotional distress: I do not like your glam.

Not entirely true. There are some people out there that take something innocuous like this as a personal insult.

Example of something offensive that inflicts emotional distress: berating them, or telling them to play a specific way.

While berating someone is uncalled for, telling a DPS to AOE so that things die faster is not offensive. Telling a healer to contribute instead of standing around for 80% of a fight is not offensive. Telling a tank to utilize cooldowns and/or tank stance if necessary is not offensive.

[Anger]

See my reply: how do you measure this “emotional distress”? There is no concrete value for it. It varies between persons.

And you’re still being obtuse. If someone is going to report something as offensive, it probably means that they were directly offended by it. Why else would they be reporting it? You aren’t allowed to file reports on the behalf of a third party—the GMs will disregard it because it’s not being sent by the person involved.



Not entirely true. There are some people out there that take something innocuous like this as a personal insult.



While berating someone is uncalled for, telling a DPS to AOE so that things die faster is not offensive. Telling a healer to contribute instead of standing around for 80% of a fight is not offensive. Telling a tank to utilize cooldowns and/or tank stance if necessary is not offensive.

I don't think it's appropriate to tell DPS to AOE, healers not to stand around, or tanks to use more cool downs. That is compelling people to play a certain way.

[HyoMinPark]

I don't think it's appropriate to tell DPS to AOE, healers not to stand around, or tanks to use more cool downs. That is compelling people to play a certain way.

And I don’t think it’s appropriate for them to refuse to actively contribute. It’s not offensive to tell someone to please AOE, especially if it’s a majority rule. In high-end content, it’s not offensive to tell a healer to contribute to DPS instead of standing around waiting for damage to occur and doing nothing. It’s also not offensive to tell a tank to please use cooldowns.

[Anger]

And I don’t think it’s appropriate for them to refuse to actively contribute. It’s not offensive to tell someone to please AOE, especially if it’s a majority rule. In high-end content, it’s not offensive to tell a healer to contribute to DPS instead of standing around waiting for damage to occur and doing nothing. It’s also not offensive to tell a tank to please use cooldowns.

It's offensive to me.

[Aulainn]

It's offensive to me.

Ah, a great example of a person why these ToS are a bad idea.

[HyoMinPark]

It's offensive to me.

I appreciate you proving the points I’ve been trying to make during my time in this thread.

I think I am a reasonable person and my level of sensitivity shouldn't be your concern. What should be your concern is abiding by the rules.

The problem is, is that the rules cater to too broad a “level of sensitivity”. Your level of sensitivity seems far higher than mine based on our discourse over DPS AOEing, healer DPS, and tanks using basic cooldowns. I’m not offending by someone telling me to AOE 10 mobs, contribute as a healer, or to use my CDs.

[Aulainn]

Yes, but it isn't stating "if you're offended" it's stating if something was offensive and: inflicts emotional distress

Example of something offensive that wouldn't inflict emotional distress: I do not like your glam.

Example of something offensive that inflicts emotional distress: berating them, or telling them to play a specific way.

You are quoting Harassment section, offensive things aren't included in that. Now you're just strawmanning.

Offensives things go under:
■Nuisance behaviour
"Nuisance behaviour" means speech or behaviour that hurts others or obstructs game play, but which is not classified as harassment. Even if it was not the intention, a penalty may be imposed if the end result was that another person was hurt or obstructed.