I asked a GM to clarify the new rules regarding hunts and early pulling

[Liam_Harper]

It’s still cut and dry. No one owns these monsters. What actually is a nuisance are people resetting mobs because of these supposed “early pulls” and erasing everyone’s credit towards killing it. That is hindering gameplay. People need to stop looking at the updated rules so hard, this is not the end of the game we currently know.

How does it hinder gameplay?

Tag it again, it's not your mob after all, you aren't entitled to anything from it. I'd only see repeated resets to prevent people killing it at all as griefing.

[Cabalabob]

No, early pulls are not against the rules. In fact if anything, getting pissy about people “pulling early” is against the rules now as you’re the one obstructing the pullers gameplay.

[KageTokage]

Whenever this topic comes up, I can't help but wonder how many of the people involved actually bother spawning/searching for hunts as opposed to just waiting for relays.

I find that the former tend to be a lot less tolerant of "early" pulls because they're often trying to do their server's community a service by allowing as many people as possible to reap the rewards of hunt marks, while the latter are prone to not caring because they're not actually doing any work.

I'm kind of past the point of caring when my server has multiple people who make it a note to pull hunts ASAP seemingly just for the sake of trying to rub the whole "Hunts are free-for-alls" rule in everyone's faces. They're technically not breaking the ToS (Though their intent is very clearly to upset people from the things they say at times), so there's nothing can be done, save for maybe waiting until they enter an instance or log off to attempt a spawn of a hunt.

I guess that's what Yoshi P. meant by each server's community "working things out" in regards how hunts will be handled post World Travel, since while "early" pulls might not be against the ToS, they are oft frowned upon and people find ways to exclude/deter players who are prone to it.

[zztoluca]

Whenever this topic comes up, I can't help but wonder how many of the people involved actually bother spawning/searching for hunts as opposed to just waiting for relays.

Odds are close to zero, anyone I have ever met that actually takes the time to spawn S ranks has unanimously agreed there is no early pulling. People that leech off linkshells are the vocal ones about it.

Someone will always be late, you cant include everyone because thats not how the content was designed.

[KageTokage]

It is very true that the most vocal ones tend to be the ones who aren't spawning stuff.

We've had some people actually get mad at us for calling something that ended up being instantly pulled by someone on the basis that we "wasted their time" because it died before they got there.

[KatCnaa]

Whenever this topic comes up, I can't help but wonder how many of the people involved actually bother spawning/searching for hunts as opposed to just waiting for relays.

I find that the former tend to be a lot less tolerant of "early" pulls because they're often trying to do their server's community a service by allowing as many people as possible to reap the rewards of hunt marks, while the latter are prone to not caring because they're not actually doing any work.

Same.

The spawners spend a lot of time and effort and sometimes gil getting the S ranks to spawn. Then they are courteous enough to call the hunt and share it with the server. Then sometime shows up while people are still arriving to the hunt you spent an hour or more getting to spawn and kills it in a way that the rest of the people you did that for can't get a hit in.

[kikix12]

How does it hinder gameplay?

Your work was "wasted", basically undoing what you did. Having the same potential doesn't change the fact that you cannot do it as efficiently because someone else decided to screw you over.

Tag it again, it's not your mob after all, you aren't entitled to anything from it. I'd only see repeated resets to prevent people killing it at all as griefing.

If a player is solo and have taken 10%-20% of the mobs life in that time, they are certain to get full credit for it.

If a player is solo and there's a bunch of parties that will melt the mob in five or six seconds, the solo player won't be able to get any credit. Rewards?! 1 of each currency.

Getting 1 of each currency and getting 100 seals, 100 poetics and 30 of whatever is the reward at the time is a huge difference.


"Then party!". And?! That's exactly what's obstruction of gameplay means. Making it so a player that can get the reward (and did enough to get it) in one way, could no longer do it without playing how YOU want him to. Can the person party?! Yes. But that's besides the point, not to mention, there may not be anyone to party with to get enough credit anyway. Not every "train" is going to have the people for that. If there are 17 people then someone ends up solo anyway. If there's 18 then there's a party of two which doesn't necessarily going to have it any better.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

This whole idea that anyone is required to wait for you, who most likely had absolutely no hand in spawning this monster, is ridiculous. You stop what you're doing and get to the monster, if we kill the monster before you get there it's because you dragged your feet, others before you clearly made it in time.

[Ssmiley_Bjakkzz]

So uhm...if I accidentally find a rank I need to report or I get banned for killing it solo?

[TheCurls]

If you find a hunt monster, you can do whatever you want with it. You can (try to) solo it, message only a couple friends to come kill it with you, leave it alone, or put out a shout to announce it.