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    WaterShield's Avatar
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    Lalah Elakta
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiraelina View Post
    It's also yet another example of trying to insert logic into this that doesn't exist. By your own example the healer states they don't want to because its stressful or because they can't do it very well, the why doesn't really matter. It's going to be right on the tank if they want to make it difficult by forcing wipes because he refuses to adapt in a roulette. What's the tank going to do if the healer is too poorly geared for/simply can't handle large pulls or the DPS can't do enough damage? Throw a tantrum and force everyone to wait out the kick timer? If you 100% want your way, go make a manual group and stay the hell out of roulette if you can't adapt to whatever hand you are dealt.

    There's more than enough clarity if everyone would take a step back instead of plotting passive aggressive scenarios as a "Told you so!". You are the only one that can dig your grave when it comes to these if you get reported for something.
    This is yet another example of trying to insert logic into this that doesn't exist. By you own example the Tank states that they want to do large pulls because it's an endgame dungeon with everyone geared and presumably ready for this. The healer dissents because they want to watch Netflix while they play, though the why doesn't really matter. It's going to be right on the healer if they want to make it difficult by forcing wipes because he refuses to adapt in a roulette. What's the healer going to do when 3 other people want to go fast ? Throw a tantrum and force everyone to wait out the kick timer? If you 100% want your way, go make a manual group and stay out of roulette if you can't adapt to whatever hand you are dealt.

    FYI this is why people are upset. The rules as written mean that everyone is breaking the rules anytime they encounter someone who disagrees with them on anything. This means both people here are breaking the rules. Technically all 4 in the dungeon run are as they are both attempting to compel the other side into a differing play style.

    Now try and tell me that people shouldn't be upset by this.
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    Kaedan's Avatar
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    Kaedan Burkhardt
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by WaterShield View Post
    The rules as written mean that everyone is breaking the rules anytime they encounter someone who disagrees with them on anything..
    No where in the new policy does it say that disagreeing with someone is "breaking the rules" and punishable.

    The new policy can be boiled down to "don't be a dick". That's all it is. As the GM in the support ticket said, the new policy change is simply to warn players that being an ***hole is going to be taken more seriously now.
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    Maffer Dragonhand
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    Odin
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    Scholar Lv 70
    It clearing states that calling out some one on the playing style as offensive. So if I say "the overall dps is low ppl, you need to shape up" can get me banned. Even if the mob pack we are fighting is taking as long as a boss to kill
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    Kaedan Burkhardt
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonhand View Post
    It clearing states that calling out some one on the playing style as offensive. So if I say "the overall dps is low ppl, you need to shape up" can get me banned. Even if the mob pack we are fighting is taking as long as a boss to kill
    Incorrect.

    What is says is expressions that COMPEL a playstyle are offensive and punishable. Compel = to force, as in give no other choice but to play a certain way.

    Telling people that DPS is too low and they need to improve is NOT punishable. That's not forcing a playstyle.

    EDIT: The Japanese word used on the their version of the policy change is "kyouyou suru", which means to coerce, extort or force someone to do something.
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    Last edited by Kaedan; 02-13-2019 at 10:40 PM.