Regarding the Revision of the Prohibited Activities and Account Penalty Policy

[Gemina]

I’m all for a positive environment, but getting in trouble because you’re asking for a basic level of contribution from someone who may be underperforming seems odd.

It isn't anymore odd than the player who gets upset when another player is trying to help them. The thing is though, if you need to ask for a basic level of contribution as a result of underperforming, it means the run is not going well. It typically means one or multiple players are forcing the others to work harder than they should have to, and this is clear and cut when it is the case. This is much different than interrupting the run to try and optimize someone's rotation, reiterate tooltips, or some other mundane task that will actually add even more time to the run than if you just let it slide. You have to choose your battles.

When tanking for an FC buddy last weekend to help her get some tomes, we came across an AST in Castrum Abania that was underperforming. After several deaths that ended up leading to a couple of wipes, I had to stop the run and ask her if she was having issues, because there was no way we were going to clear the dungeon at the rate things were going. This is an example of when it is ok because it was necessitated, unlike when someone is simply dissatisfied with how someone is playing. In her response she apologized, and said she would try to do better, but understood if we wanted to kick her. I told her of course not! I told her I was a healer main, offered a few tips, and it was a night and day difference. Got through the rest of the dungeon without a hitch, and she thanked and hugged me before leaving.

Now I know receptive players like that are not in abundance, but neither is the patience I showed her. I've advised many players inside duties, and I have never received a lashing from any of them. If they feel attacked, they will attack.

They just make me want to interact with people less often because it’s easier to drop them and never tell them that they could get better.
I’d now sooner ghost a player than help them improve. And I’ve never been abrasive when doing this. People have regularly been resistant to help since the start for whatever reason, and it’s for that reason there is now just a “risk” involved with nearly any interaction.

Totally understandable. But the risk has not changed. It was always a risk to critique another player during an instance, which is why I never do so unless absolutely necessary. Otherwise I've always just rolled with the punches, and accepted that DF is a total role of the dice. It is not my job or obligation to improve the gameplay of other players. This is something they have to do, and will pursue to do all on their own.

[Senliten]

Can only wonder just what the poor level 1 pen pushers are gonna be dealing with. If anything this is gonna be like a hostile/stressful work environment as is for em, granted my gut is telling me these said level 1's will get authority to pursue some form of punishment if deemed needed, but the broad spectrum of the terms + how easy this will be to abuse (causing mass work load obviously if we wanna just play worse case scenario here), and the already absurd work environments CSR/L1's deal with daily from a corporate entity (which anyone with knowledge in ticketing systems or has worked on, with, or alongside a CSR/Ticket system can attest that a lot of corporations use a SLA system with deadlines of their own). Just how much can we assume the reports will be judged fairly?

I mean, while looking from this on one end, what about the opposite? I.E: The work load that is clearly to occur and the actual effect it can end up having on those workers? Hypothetically this is just my own thoughts and questions on all this, but anyone else wondering how this would affect the people that have to handle the workload just from how broad some of these stuff is, and how that can easily have an effect on their judgment?

[Nedkel]

And players from Europe, the Caribbean, etc. are - in general - not nearly as boorish as we are. (We being Americans.) As another poster pointed out, these rules seem mostly aimed directly at players in the United States.

I am european and i dont like those changes at all, and to be honest we are more feed up with this censorship going on around everywhere, since it actually pushes us harder than you americans. We could be prosecuted for what we are writing on the internet, will it be "hate speech" or whatever, someone reporting you in europe for it could deliver you a policemen visiting you in the next coming day, its a nightmare and the UK and Germany are countries where it happens all the time.

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

So to all you ppl think this will only harm ppl who insult are rudenes, are insult others...

News flash out of 200 ppl banned only 20 are by those reason the other 180 were nice kind people who were never rude...

Before hw on my first account on arr area my bff and i were fishing in upper la nos we didn't know about ls because the game wasn't even 3 weeks old at the time .. so sitting there after 20mins we started talking about random things in party chat... about 40mins in i talked to a fc mate telling them were they could get a certain fish they were after...

Well we were talking about a manga gen <yaoi>,vampirism and mythology a guy and his gang as i call things like that /20 or so ppl just cleared a fate i accident do /say on vlad was a hero and i wish i could clone him to make out lol innocent enough until people start 2 purposely anger me ... so i went to another part of the map and said id pay lord hades 500 cookies for a vampire bite as long as i get the ability to turn ppl into anything i want. Well about four hours later when i was mooching a fish i am teleported 2 the jail thing and the gm was you were report for rmt.. and i was like wth are you talking about then he shared the hades line i wrote i was like really? You know thats a joke as did the person that reported it. Then the response was be careful how you word things so someone will not take it the wrong way gave me a warning over nothing.

2 weeks later i was rping in soundles spot western la noscea as a vampire kitten summoning demons <don't ask lol> well right after i am back in the jail and banned for 3 days because someone felt uncomfortable so o went to the report wrongful ban and found out they don't care if ANY1 reports you saying you made them feel bad or uncomfortable even if you are playing your own way your banned and nothing you can do about it.. even if they really weren't and I'm srry but you don't sit in a spot 3 hours with something that makes you feel bad.

And finnaly about 5 months later i go to try to clear garuda ex but my troll leader made it go 2 ifirt and i was sorta out of it so i let my garuda fight ifirt my own play style and ended up with perm ban because i didn't play the way my team wanted me 2 i wanted smn to be a pet only job and that is how i played it.

[Kurando]

it could deliver you a policemen visiting you in the next coming day, its a nightmare and the UK and Germany are countries where it is happening all the time.

Source please.

Also European citizens have a lot of protection, things have come a long way since decades ago. It's probably the US amendment of Freedom of Speech that seems to be at odds with this new policy more than anything, which I think it's why someone brought up the generalising of players from a certain country.

[Nedkel]

So to all you ppl think this will only harm ppl who insult are rudenes, are insult others...

News flash out of 200 ppl banned only 20 are by those reason the other 180 were nice kind people who were never rude...

Before hw on my first account on arr area my bff and i were fishing in upper la nos we didn't know about ls because the game wasn't even 3 weeks old at the time .. so sitting there after 20mins we started talking about random things in party chat... about 40mins in i talked to a fc mate telling them were they could get a certain fish they were after...

Well we were talking about a manga gen <yaoi>,vampirism and mythology a guy and his gang as i call things like that /20 or so ppl just cleared a fate i accident do /say on vlad was a hero and i wish i could clone him to make out lol innocent enough until people start 2 purposely anger me ... so i went to another part of the map and said id pay lord hades 500 cookies for a vampire bite as long as i get the ability to turn ppl into anything i want. Well about four hours later when i was mooching a fish i am teleported 2 the jail thing and the gm was you were report for rmt.. and i was like wth are you talking about then he shared the hades line i wrote i was like really? You know thats a joke as did the person that reported it. Then the response was be careful how you word things so someone will not take it the wrong way gave me a warning over nothing.

2 weeks later i was rping in soundles spot western la noscea as a vampire kitten summoning demons <don't ask lol> well right after i am back in the jail and banned for 3 days because someone felt uncomfortable so o went to the report wrongful ban and found out they don't care if ANY1 reports you saying you made them feel bad or uncomfortable even if you are playing your own way your banned and nothing you can do about it.. even if they really weren't and I'm srry but you don't sit in a spot 3 hours with something that makes you feel bad.

And finnaly about 5 months later i go to try to clear garuda ex but my troll leader made it go 2 ifirt and i was sorta out of it so i let my garuda fight ifirt my own play style and ended up with perm ban because i didn't play the way my team wanted me 2 i wanted smn to be a pet only job and that is how i played it.

Anyone who has any experience with the GM's in this game or punishment system in general will absolutely be against any of those changes.
It gives them more reasons to ban you, and it is super easy to ban someone if you report them, really.
People were getting banned for saying someone he has low dps, and that was enough to make him banned. With new rules i would advice to delete the chat entirely from the game if you want to play it for longer...

Source please.

Also European citizens have a lot of protection, things have come a long way since decades ago. It's probably the US amendment of Freedom of Speech that seems to be at odds with this new policy more than anything, which I think it's why someone brought up the generalising of players from a certain country.

There are countless of news about it, most of them in the country specific language. I dont want to offtopic in this thread, so i could ask you to just trust me on this.

[AxlStream]

And players from Europe, the Caribbean, etc. are - in general - not nearly as boorish as we are. (We being Americans.) As another poster pointed out, these rules seem mostly aimed directly at players in the United States.

You're being racist....to say that just because i am a american that i am a boring person? That is generalizing an entire group of people and then insulting them based them being a part of that group. It's an extremely childish thing to say and is only counterproductive in the sense that you claim that more respect is what we need while at the same time hypocritically stating such things as this. I am reporting you for harassing me based on racist generalized statements. No seriously i'm reporting you.

Erm...

boor·ish
Dictionary result for boorish
/ˈbo͝oriSH/
adjective
adjective: boorish

rough and bad-mannered; coarse.

[Its_Elodie]

So how exactly do they intend to implement the part of this revision to the tos regarding “intentional” disconnects? I 90k maybe three times a week on average because our net is weak sauce, but the thought of possibly getting reprimanded in game for my isp is absolutely ludicrous.

Also, I want to say that the degree of censorship that is slowly being ushered into this game is getting very worrying. IMO the disappearance of chat in the feast was just the beginning of this censorship crusade from SE.

[redcurrant18]

Source please.

Also European citizens have a lot of protection, things have come a long way since decades ago. It's probably the US amendment of Freedom of Speech that seems to be at odds with this new policy more than anything, which I think it's why someone brought up the generalising of players from a certain country.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/new...ectid=12202875

[Kurando]

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I guess you'd didn't read the entire article, at the end it clearly mentions the accused was harrasing the victim in several ways, it wasn't just they called this person one wrong thing and then the cops came knocking. It's also from the Daily Mail, a UK publication well known for fake news and/or stirring up drama about things that isn't really necessary.

There are countless of news about it, most of them in the country specific language. I dont want to offtopic in this thread, so i could ask you to just trust me on this.

Well sorry I kinda don't. As a Brit I don't see enough news about such things in the media to agree with it hence why I asked you for a source, otherwise it's just a bold statement to say that something happens all the time when it actually doesn't.