Regarding the Revision of the Prohibited Activities and Account Penalty Policy

[Sneed]

SquareEnix might come to regret this decision when their ticket queue is in the red with Balmung drama 24/7. Have fun :^)

[Gemina]

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This is actually one of the most compelling rebuttals I've read thus far. But as vague as the statements from the developers are, the decision to walk away from a bad situation is not. You only need to recognize it as being instigated and don't fall into the trap. SJW type people will indeed try to take advantage, and considering that they have all the power over our current media and everyone and anyone in power is listening to them, I totally understand the concern. But it is also exactly why I say to just walk away. If you feel this is patronizing it is definitely not my intent. Taking the high road usually results in frustration of unfairness, but it also keeps you out of trouble and the last thing you want is to be punished when the true asshat gets off scott-free. This is a humiliating experience I am trying to spare the expense of our community's truly good and respectful players with a modest amount of common sense. Something SJW types strongly lack.

GMs cannot be biased. This is a strong requirement for any kind of position of mediation. That is not to say that there's not biased GMs out there, but we really don't have much choice other than to trust that they will make proper, informed decisions. But if you feel that they can't be trusted with this, it only reinforces my advice on taking the high road, and just walk away. Don't even allow a situation that warrants their intervention. A 30 minute penalty isn't the end of the world, and will give you time to cool down as you really don't want to go right back in an instance that just pissed you off before releasing the pressure valves.

You are correct though, these changes aren't entirely positive. We've been given ample opportunity to solve conflicts ourselves as a community, hence the very little intervention from GMs of day's past. We failed. So yeah, now there is going to be the homeroom teacher making sure everyone plays nice. Personal world view or not, there's no denying that worldly issues bleed into the game. If they didn't, I don't think this thread would even exist.

[NanaWiloh]

So many people taking these rules to the EXTREME Worst possible scenario's. *facepalm*

[Altaeciana]

Majority of you commenting are on the notion that this is too strict and is severely enforcing game policies. If you go by the code/creed that "it is bound to happen" or "you have to expect a degree of whatever to occur so leniency should be exercised due to pending flood of like-complaints" then you live in a magical bubble-encased world where people are at the very least 95% honest with most things in-game.

These changes to the prohibited activities and such is a welcomed change of air because now it allows victims of certain devious plots to be a surefire firestarter in getting penalizing action to take place.

TAKE FOR EXAMPLE when someone is removed from a duty and it was not for any of the available option choices: [AFK] [Offline] [Harassment] or [Cheating]. The player was removed solely because someone(s) in the group did not approve of their play style. Maybe they kept dying often, or maybe they spent most of their time chatting to try and discern assistance with the fight mechanics. Whatever the case, they were wrongfully removed. The new changes to the existing penalty policy will allow this to see more direct action than simply a GM convincing a victim that it's a waste of time to worry about it.

This also means that if you participated in the removal of such a player with Vote Dismiss, you are also subject to penalizations that are deemed appropriate for your level of contribution.

People blab often how they want to promote and create a atmosphere where you can coexist on a given server world and have fun. That it's all about being a community and helping each other out. But it sure doesn't take much to implement hive-mind tactics because the elist-atmosphere is super prominent. There'll always be excuses such as "this is old content, it's been out for 3 weeks. Why are you dying so much?" or "You're the tank, you are supposed to know all this beforehand" and we continually keep making assumptions and jumping to conclusions about EVERYONE we encounter.

Put your gil where your mouth is. If you truly want to promote a peaceful, friendly environment, then you should advocate to be something like a priest/minister of sorts who despite all the negativity and doubt will persevere in their belief system. Someone who exclaims they can turn into another type of person at the flip of a switch is kidding themself.

I have never once seen someone stand up for a vote dismissal victim and inquire the reasoning.

[Fyce]

So many people taking these rules to the EXTREME Worst possible scenario's. *facepalm*

The fact that these rules can be taken "to the EXTREME worst possible scenarios" is the very reason why they are bad rules that need to be clarified and narrowed down.

[Shuuchi]

I just read through the JP version (I can read about 80% of it, used google translate for bits I couldn't understand).

For those who are wondering, the new rules were translated literately word for word.

There is nothing new to add in terms of clarifications, context or otherwise.

-The first response in the thread is asking for clarification/examples since the rules are vague.
-The second response is asking for clarification as to what third party software are hurting the game and how are they hurting it.
-I'm not entirely sure what the third response is - something about writing carefully and malleability when it comes to interpreting the new rules, which are written in a sly (weasel) way so that SE don't have to make up new rules whenever something else pops up.
-Fourth post is giving advice to SE to put the old and new rules side by side so that people can compare and clearly see what has changed.

While it is true no one is outright complaining in the JP thread, do keep in mind that Japanese culture is extremely authoritarian by nature and there is a prevalent use of tatemae, which is essentially common courtesy but dialed up to a billion and one. None of these rules are new to them. Things are different in the west, so these new rules seem outlandish, confusing, poorly-written and extreme.

[CatsWithShoes]

It won't be abused.

Banned players = less money

less money = LESS MONEY

Simple

right, because employees never do anything detrimental to the company that they work for or it's customers out of laziness or their own personal beliefs.

[Eylirria]

"Don't ever, for any reason, do anything, to anyone, for any reason, ever, no matter what, no matter where, or who, or who you are with, or where you are going, or where you've been, ever, for any reason whatsoever." - Michael Scott

I think that's a solid philosophy to apply in these times.

[Canadane]

I’m all for a positive environment, but getting in trouble because you’re asking for a basic level of contribution from someone who may be underperforming seems odd.

They just make me want to interact with people less often because it’s easier to drop them and never tell them that they could get better.
I’d now sooner ghost a player than help them improve. And I’ve never been abrasive when doing this. People have regularly been resistant to help since the start for whatever reason, and it’s for that reason there is now just a “risk” involved with nearly any interaction.

[Altaeciana]

While it is true no one is outright complaining in the JP thread, do keep in mind that Japanese culture is extremely authoritarian by nature and there is a prevalent use of tatemae, which is essentially common courtesy but dialed up to a billion and one. None of these rules are new to them. Things are different in the west, so these new rules seem outlandish, confusing, poorly-written and extreme.

Japanese people, and Eastern ethnicities in general, tend to be more respectful. A lot of it plays on religion/spirituality involving the spirit/soul of a person or a influence of a deity. And A LOT of it is enforced through upbringing by parents and tradition. Their whole culture revolves around those kinds of ideals and it is embedded into everything they do. Go to work, gotta do the whole spiel before you can actually begin your work. Enter a restaurant, gotta do the whole spiel again before you can begin to consult the host/hostess. Need to change lanes before a upcoming traffic light, yeah let me first to the whole cultural spiel before I wrong someone by mistake/happenstance.

Like Japanese culture, Korean culture practice many of the similar mannerisms. Although, Korean culture is more subdivided due to increased poverty compared to Japan. Varying distribution of wealth and opportunities.