Regarding the Revision of the Prohibited Activities and Account Penalty Policy

[frostmagemari]

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what SQE intends to happen with these new rules, or how they hope GMs will act in following them. The rules are vague, and vague rules can mean abuse of the system that's dependent of the outlook and sensibilities of the person handing out the ruling. It won't matter what seven out of eight GMs thought was an appropriate resolution to a situation, it only matters what the one particular GM that's dealing with the case believes about how the situation needs to be resolved; and personal feelings and outlook are not separated from those decisions.

There needs to be clear rules, clear boundaries of behavior and conduct.
The problem is.. very few of the majority player base will care until they're affected by these vague rules for something they think they shouldn't be.

[Lium]

There needs to be clear rules, clear boundaries of behavior and conduct.

These new rules are pretty darn clear to me (with the exception of the "intentionally leaving" part, but another poster clarified that). And I think this is 46 pages of cultural freakout. Americans don't like ANYTHING that can be seen as restricting freedom of speech, even if no real restriction exists. We just like to over react because that's what Americans do.

For example. If I was running a PUG dungeon and I noticed the SMN wasn't using any DOTs, and I said to them "Hey summoner, use your dots lol" and the SMN responded with "Don't tell me how to play my job! Reported!" (This actually happened once, but it was the tank who told the SMN to use their dots.), I could guarantee you nothing would happen to me. Because the GM would look at the chat logs and see I wasn't being snarky or antagonistic. If I had said something along the lines of what you would see in WoW or LoL, then yes, I'd get in trouble. And rightfully so.

There is a clear distinction here.

[Fliss]

These new rules are pretty darn clear to me (with the exception of the "intentionally leaving" part, but another poster clarified that). And I think this is 46 pages of cultural freakout. Americans don't like ANYTHING that can be seen as restricting freedom of speech, even if no real restriction exists. We just like to over react because that's what Americans do.

You do realize that not all of us are American, right? Canadians and people from Europe play this game too.

[Stereomix]

Rules should be clear and concise enough that you know exactly when you commit an offence. Murphy's law is the reasoning. "If something can go wrong, it will."

[zztoluca]

These new rules are pretty darn clear to me (with the exception of the "intentionally leaving" part, but another poster clarified that). And I think this is 46 pages of cultural freakout. Americans don't like ANYTHING that can be seen as restricting freedom of speech, even if no real restriction exists. We just like to over react because that's what Americans do.

For example. If I was running a PUG dungeon and I noticed the SMN wasn't using any DOTs, and I said to them "Hey summoner, use your dots lol" and the SMN responded with "Don't tell me how to play my job! Reported!" (This actually happened once, but it was the tank who told the SMN to use their dots.), I could guarantee you nothing would happen to me. Because the GM would look at the chat logs and see I wasn't being snarky or antagonistic. If I had said something along the lines of what you would see in WoW or LoL, then yes, I'd get in trouble. And rightfully so.

There is a clear distinction here.

You realise NA includes all of North and South America, Caribbeans and many OCE and EU players that play. This isnt an "American" thing.

Your post is quite offensive to exclude others according to the new revisions to policy.

[Lium]

You realise NA includes all of North and South America, Caribbeans and many OCE and EU players that play. This isnt an "American" thing.

Your post is quite offensive to exclude others according to the new revisions to policy.

And players from Europe, the Caribbean, etc. are - in general - not nearly as boorish as we are. (We being Americans.) As another poster pointed out, these rules seem mostly aimed directly at players in the United States.

[zztoluca]

And players from Europe, the Caribbean, etc. are - in general - not nearly as boorish as we are. (We being Americans.) As another poster pointed out, these rules seem mostly aimed directly at players in the United States.

As I said before this isnt an American thing. This doesn't fly with any of my Latino friends or Canadians, they arent American and can see the flaws in these policies.

A boorsih person isnt confined to one region in the world, a very narrow view to have.

[Zanos]

I don't understand the mentality permeating this thread that this won't change the way anything is enforced. Why would SE grant GMs powers and then not use them? If what they're actually going to enforce is different, why not write that down instead?

And players from Europe, the Caribbean, etc. are - in general - not nearly as boorish as we are. (We being Americans.) As another poster pointed out, these rules seem mostly aimed directly at players in the United States.

Are you saying Americans are boorish? That's a rules violation there friend, I'm going to have to ask you to leave.

[Mizunoko]

And players from Europe, the Caribbean, etc. are - in general - not nearly as boorish as we are. (We being Americans.) As another poster pointed out, these rules seem mostly aimed directly at players in the United States.

You're being racist....to say that just because i am a american that i am a boorish person? That is generalizing an entire group of people and then insulting them based them being a part of that group. It's an extremely childish thing to say and is only counterproductive in the sense that you claim that more respect is what we need while at the same time hypocritically stating such things as this. I am reporting you for harassing me based on racist generalized statements. No seriously i'm reporting you.

[Lium]

That is generalizing.

Yes, it is. Read the word in between the hyphens very carefully.