Regarding the Revision of the Prohibited Activities and Account Penalty Policy

[Bearded]

Seems to me people are reading far too much into these changes. I read them as being you are free to play as you want and speak to others as you want as long are you are not being a jerk whilst doing so. It's pretty simple really as far as I can see.

[Nghthawk]

I can't believe people are defending this.

One of the new things that can get you banned:

Expressions that unilaterally reject another person's opinion


You can now be banned for just disagreeing with someone.

Simple solution to that is after their comment in chat log report that individual because they are disagreeing with your opinion (even when you didn't state yours) and get them banned. Disagreeing with someone and rejecting their opinion are two different things, you're reading to much into the statement.

[therpgfanatic]

A company like SE isn't going to reject money and ban a paying customer over a minor disagreement.

It is not a "company" enforcing the rules.

The enforcement is done by entry level employees in the community management team who may not even have a college degree nor play the game, and whose job performance is based on how fast they can solve ticket with very little oversight. I've worked in the games industry before, these people don't even login to the game to deal with these tickets. It's just another branch of tech support.

If they get a ticket for something and it's against anything in the rules, they issue a ban. They don't spend hours investigating each case. They spend a few minutes, which is just looking at if the behavior is bannable in the rules.

[msoltyspl]

We are striving to create a comfortable environment for our players, so that, if they do experience a negative incident, we are able to assist them as much as possible (and, if necessary, get involved in the situation). Please understand that these changes were necessary in order for us to achieve that goal.

That's not comfortable environment. That's SJW "utopia" governed by easily offended snowflakes, where anything you do and/or say can (and will, if you happen to cross easily offended someone and have bad luck getting social justice gm warrior handling the ticket) be used against you.

As per rules (list by no means limited):

- you can't leave party
- you can't vote kick someone from party
- you can't complain about anything
- you can't disagree
- you can't point out mistakes
- you can't be sarcastic
- you can't say "go watch that MTQ guide first"
- you can't argue
- you can't brainstorm
- you can't be blunt and honest
- you can't say "I don't want you in my FC because - for example - you are an easily offended snowflake"

And the list goes one. Anything that falls into the lists (with explicit mention of not exhausting of what is not allowed) of harassment/nuisance/offensive/obstruction - is now formally punishable by GMs at their whims. And the game doesn't have particularly shiny record of gm actions.

The only thing you will achieve is the game being even more mute (dunno if that's even possible) and hermetic than it already is. Better safe and quiet than sorry.

[Sarevok_Thordin]

Seems to me people are reading far too much into these changes. I read them as being you are free to play as you want and speak to others as you want as long are you are not being a jerk whilst doing so. It's pretty simple really as far as I can see.

I think people are worried about some abusing these rules, for example, criticism could be seen as "offense" by the receiving party, or the age old case of asking to DPS as a healer in savage/extreme content.

The perception of what is offensive by the receiving party is a huge grey area and a hazard if one wants to speak freely.

[Zephera]

It is not a "company" enforcing the rules.

The enforcement is done by entry level employees in the community management team who may not even have a college degree nor play the game, and whose job performance is based on how fast they can solve ticket with very little oversight. I've worked in the games industry before, these people don't even login to the game to deal with these tickets. It's just another branch of tech support.

Yeah, I'm sure the company would be overjoyed if they had GM's banning every player who had a report made against them. Money is the bottom line for the company, and they're never going to do something that they'll feel will impact their income majorly.

That's not comfortable environment. That's SJW "utopia" governed by easily offended snowflakes, where anything you do and/or say can (and will, if you happen to cross easily offended someone and have bad luck getting social justice gm warrior handling the ticket) be used against you.

I'm not going to assume anyone using the term "SJW" these days is operating in good faith.

[Bsrking5]

We just to throw my two cents into ring. It's seems overly vague and ripe for abuse on a few line items which in my opinion are a complete and total waste of GMs time and effort. Might need a translator to go over them with more detail so it's a clear stance if these changes are to remain without being the joke of the community.

[therpgfanatic]

Yeah, I'm sure the company would be overjoyed if they had GM's banning every player who had a report made against them. Money is the bottom line for the company, and they're never going to do something that they'll feel will impact their income majorly.

Community guidelines enforcement is not tied to the bottom line of the company.

It has to become a problem before that occurs, which means people need to massively unsubscribe after the mass bannings take place.

You're applying logic and reason that the GMs won't enforce the rules as written, when that is not how it works. The employees may not even play videogames.

Their job is enforce rules as written and not apply personal judgement. And as written the rules specifically say disagreeing with others is bannable.

[Zephera]

Community guidelines enforcement is not tied to the bottom line of the company.

It has to become a problem before that occurs, which means people need to massively unsubscribe after the mass bannings take place.

You're applying logic and reason that the GMs won't enforce the rules as written, when that is not how it works. The employees may not even play videogames.

Their job is enforce rules as written and not apply personal judgement. And as written the rules specifically say disagreeing with others is bannable.

Come on now, they don't ban cheaters and gil buyers, what makes you think they'll ban people for disagreeing with others? You're making a massive leap to an extreme and unlikely scenario.

[Mizunoko]

I have been thinking about moving to JP servers for some time now, and as it appears that these new very vague and unprofessional sounding rules only apply to NA and EU, maybe this is the swift kick in the behind i need to make the move and go to the JP servers. Take care EU and NA, ill miss being able to understand what people are saying, but i won't miss the chance at losing 5 years of sub money, time, and hard work i put into my account simply because the system is now able to be abused to basically get anyone banned for virtually no legitimate and fair reasons.