Regarding the Revision of the Prohibited Activities and Account Penalty Policy

[Roda]

Wait... are you attempting to invalidate the legitimate opinions of other users in this thread by holding them to a completely different cultural standard?

That sounds like something I've seen somewhere before... what could that be...
- Discriminatory expressions based on race/nationality/thinking/gender/sexual orientation/gender identity

I'm really hoping that thinking thing is like a REALLY poorly worded way of saying dont discriminate against neuro-divergent people.

But other than that a lot of these rules are just flat out bad. Prohibiting playstyle suggestions will do nothing but encourage "you dont pay my sub" types to carry on getting carried, bringing down the experience of the other 3-7 people in the group. If I can get banned for saying "I'm at full health it's ok to dps" or "please put garuda on obey" or "please use skills other than skill sunder, the game highlights your skills for you to know which order to press them in", then that makes me really not want to use duty finder in fear that I'm going to either have an absolutely grueling time in a dungeon, or get banned for just wanting to help others get the most out of the game.

[Iscah]

I'm really hoping that thinking thing is like a REALLY poorly worded way of saying dont discriminate against neuro-divergent people.

That would make sense - and it's a rather hard thing to give a one-word neutral all-encompassing summary of.

But if it's designed to stop "autistic" from being the new general-purpose insult, I'm all for it.


...I think this policy needs to come with a glossary section.

(Not 100% sure but I think the "reasonable person" thing is legal/formal terminology for this kind of policy - and for actual laws, too.)

[Rongway]

Prohibiting playstyle suggestions will do nothing but encourage "you dont pay my sub" types to carry on getting carried, bringing down the experience of the other 3-7 people in the group. If I can get banned for saying "I'm at full health it's ok to dps" or "please put garuda on obey" or "please use skills other than skill sunder, the game highlights your skills for you to know which order to press them in", then that makes me really not want to use duty finder in fear that I'm going to either have an absolutely grueling time in a dungeon, or get banned for just wanting to help others get the most out of the game.

The rules don't say, "You may not politely tell people how they can play more effectively." They say we're not allowed to "compel a playing style".

"The intended use of Veraero and Verthunder is that you take advantage of the Dualcast trait to cast them instantly as the second spell after a faster spell like Jolt. They're not meant to be slow-casted on their own, as you would only be able to cast 2/3 as many spells this way." is a reasonable explanation of basic RDMing and no reasonable person should find this offensive.

"(Insert Skill Name) (Please use it.)" is usually a reasonable request that does not fall under any of the bullet points of the Offensive Expression section, except possibly the catch-all final bullet point, but a reasonable GM should not support the classification of this type of request as "offensive".

"If you don't use (Insert Skill Name) we're going to kick you" is quite different from either of the other examples and obviously an example of the sort of imperative that the play style rule is meant to guard against.

[Roda]

The rules don't say, "You may not politely tell people how they can play more effectively." They say we're not allowed to "compel a playing style".

"The intended use of Veraero and Verthunder is that you take advantage of the Dualcast trait to cast them instantly as the second spell after a faster spell like Jolt. They're not meant to be slow-casted on their own, as you would only be able to cast 2/3 as many spells this way." is a reasonable explanation of basic RDMing and no reasonable person should find this offensive.

"(Insert Skill Name) (Please use it.)" is usually a reasonable request that does not fall under any of the bullet points of the Offensive Expression section, except possibly the catch-all final bullet point, but a reasonable GM should not support the classification of this type of request as "offensive".

"If you don't use (Insert Skill Name) we're going to kick you" is quite different from either of the other examples and obviously an example of the sort of imperative that the play style rule is meant to guard against.

See, I dont see, if someone is ignoring advice, and actively making the run more difficult by refusing to use parts of their kit, why they shouldnt be kicked. Why would a group have to carry around a dead weight in fear of losing their account, instead of removing the problem and finding someone else who actually wants to participate in the content? Like I wouldnt use the kick function on a genuinely new player, but that skill sunder story happened and we had to remove the tank to finish the dungeon in any kind of reasonable time. I dont want to get marks on my account for thinking finishing the dungeon is more important than someone thinking the animation for a non spammable skill is just too cool to not use 100% of the time.

[Hyperon]

"The intended use of Veraero and Verthunder is that you take advantage of the Dualcast trait to cast them instantly as the second spell after a faster spell like Jolt. They're not meant to be slow-casted on their own, as you would only be able to cast 2/3 as many spells this way." is a reasonable explanation of basic RDMing and no reasonable person should find this offensive.

So you say that but I rolled with a group, I wasn't in the party this day, that someone told that to a person in my group just in a shorter way, then they person told said that they were a mentor so they know how to play the game. That person said they don't play like a mentor and got kicked for saying that one line because they had group majority, 5 players. Then was corrected by a friend later saying that they shoudn't be casting verthunder/aero mid boss fight and what was said was "oh well. he got what he deserved."

Its already abused its just now going to be worse for some people because they can rules lawyer themselves into being right now.