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  1. #101
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    InkstainedGwyn's Avatar
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    Souji Hanamura
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuseTraveller View Post
    You can do all that and not be a jerk about it.
    It's not that hard.
    You can tell people to be mindful of AoEs, nicely.
    You can ask people to put shield oath, nicely.
    You ... can refrain from being judgmental over other people's choice of race and gender in a video game?
    I have seen games take things too far but honestly... vague or not... this is how I feel about it. I think SE has given themselves a lot more leeway to go after those folks who know every loophole to allow themselves to troll/harass/exploit/manipulate yet stay just within non-penalty-incurring behaviour. I really think they're still going to dump just as many of the "the healer said he went afk and handed his controller to his gf so I reported him can I please give back my XP" reports as they ever did.

    But then, the only people I've ever known to even get temp bans in game deserved every minute of it, so.
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  2. #102
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    Nessa Goddessly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vnolan View Post
    ・Expressions that contravene public order and morals
    This seems like this one could get iffy. There's many different people from different countries who play this game, and each have their own set of morals.

    For example homosexual relationships and marriage is perfectly fine and legal in my country, but there are places in the world where its still frowned upon and illegal.

    Which part of the public would be considered going against others? Or about other issues that some find controversial? Maybe even mundane stuff like healers dpsing could end up with disciplinary action if you're on the wrong side.

    We'll all have to be more careful about discussion topics from now on.
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    Last edited by NessaWyvern; 02-12-2019 at 05:13 PM.

  3. #103
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    Ali Lifesaver
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuseTraveller View Post
    You can do all that and not be a jerk about it.
    It's not that hard.
    You can tell people to be mindful of AoEs, nicely.
    You can ask people to put shield oath, nicely.
    You ... can refrain from being judgmental over other people's choice of race and gender in a video game?
    No you can't because it violates this rule.

    Expressions that compel a playing style
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  4. #104
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    Aranie Crowley
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuseTraveller View Post
    You can do all that and not be a jerk about it.
    It's not that hard.
    You can tell people to be mindful of AoEs, nicely.
    You can ask people to put shield oath, nicely.
    You ... can refrain from being judgmental over other people's choice of race and gender in a video game?
    Even if your not a jerk about that, the new policy is all about how people percieve the sentence.
    Asking to mind the Aoe and put Shield oath on can fall under :
    ◆Offensive expression
    "Offensive expression" means an expression in general that inflicts emotional distress by being offensive to another person. Offensive expression may include:

    ・Expressions that compel a playing style

    Here, compeling someone to get out of AoE or using an ability they don't want

    As for lalas...it's not being judgmental, it's making jokes. I was the first to make lala joke when I was one, the same goes for calling my avatar "flea bags" or "classy girafe" depending on my current race.

    This is a video game and yet people get offended ALL THE TIME, just like IRL, I don't get it oO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watachy View Post
    C'était en fait SE qui survolait Ishgard sur une liasse de billets

    Quote Originally Posted by KaivaC View Post
    People don't know how to take criticism anymore, and bad play is rewarded with with a coddling mentality. Yes, this is a casual game for the most part - that doesn't mean people need to walk on eggshells in fear of getting reported for pointing out things. This whole 'please don't say anything even slightly negative' mentality that we seem to be going towards and the devs seemingly pushing towards it is creating a disturbing trend.

  5. #105
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    Suggestions are not compulsions. Being polite about it is different from demanding.

    Seems to me that anyone worrying about receiving penalties maybe do need to examine their own behavior. It's all pretty common courtesy/decency stuff.
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  6. #106
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    Nessa Goddessly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celef View Post
    As for lalas...it's not being judgmental, it's making jokes. I was the first to make lala joke when I was one, the same goes for calling my avatar "flea bags" or "classy girafe" depending on my current race.
    Earlier I was in a Seiryu party, and we were all choosing our spots (A, B, C, D) I didn't realise there was 3 people at C where I was standing, as a Lalafell was standing between me and the healer, which with my camera angle, completely blocked my view of them. When someone said "There's 3 people at C" I moved to A and said "My bad, I didn't see the short Lalafell". The lalafell instantly left the trial after my comment :<

    Would I get disciplinary action for that comment under the new rules? :<
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  7. #107
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    It all seems very vague and a little too heavy handed for my liking.
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  8. #108
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    Mihn Saruihn
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    The rules more or less state, just be nicer and more considerate but painted in fancier words.
    But you all act like the next Calamity is coming. lol
    Give it some time before jumping to conclusions.
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  9. #109
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    Rocket Teira
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuseTraveller View Post
    "judgmental prick" isn't a playing style.
    Sorry, you have been banned for the following rule breaks:
    ・Expressions that provoke or belittle another person, such as excessive criticism, negation/ridicule
    ・Expressions that significantly lack consideration for another person
    ・Expressions that unilaterally reject another person's opinion
    ・Expressions that any reasonable person would find offensive
    ・Other expressions that are offensive to another person

    Possible: ・Actions that inflict emotional distress using content related to historical events or crimes
    if referring to a previous post.
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  10. #110
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockette View Post
    Sorry, you have been banned for the following rule breaks:
    ・Expressions that provoke or belittle another person, such as excessive criticism, negation/ridicule
    ・Expressions that significantly lack consideration for another person
    ・Expressions that unilaterally reject another person's opinion
    ・Expressions that any reasonable person would find offensive
    ・Other expressions that are offensive to another person

    Possible: ・Actions that inflict emotional distress using content related to historical events or crimes
    if referring to a previous post.
    Good thing you aren't a GM.
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