Did Matoya just possess Y'shtola's body?

[Iscah]

Well also don't forget

Zenos' body was taken over but Zenos appears to have spiritually hijacked a body of his own - which was one of the Elezen resistance fighters. I am still curious to that one since we haven't seen anything about it for a while

Someone said he was in the trailer for 4.5? And we didn't see him in part 1, so he must be involved in part 2.

But even if I didn't know that, I'd be thinking there was a fair chance that he'd turn up then.

[QT_Melon]

Someone said he was in the trailer for 4.5? And we didn't see him in part 1, so he must be involved in part 2.

But even if I didn't know that, I'd be thinking there was a fair chance that he'd turn up then.

Yeah that's what I was figuring, I'm just saying I'm still curious about the outcome.

I'm just finding all the body snatching and sharing a bit much at this point where it's becoming silly in terms of plot

[Jonnycbad]

I don't think there's any lore supporting this at all, which actually does make me a little annoyed, because I'm seeing this claim everywhere (Reddit, Tumblr, Discord), taken as gospel truth.

It's as bad as "FFXIV is the same world as FFXII".

Master is a title. If matoya was a title, she would be called Matoya Y'stola. Calling someone Master Matoya (under the presumption of Matoya being a title) would be like calling someone Doctor Professor.

[ObsidianFire]

I think the idea is less that "Matoya" itself is a title and more the Y'shtola took up her mentor's name for some reason. Like to honor her.

[YianKutku]

Master is a title. If matoya was a title, she would be called Matoya Y'stola. Calling someone Master Matoya (under the presumption of Matoya being a title) would be like calling someone Doctor Professor.

In the Japanese dub Urianger just says "Matoya". No honorifics.

Also, I was responding to the post which suggested that "Master Matoya" in full was a title.

[blackcitadel9]

Matoya did say she adopted Y'shtola. I think she took up her master's name, rather than inheriting a title (or the title inherited is Master). And we don't know if Master Matoya (original) was always being referred to by last name.

[Iscah]

Matoya did say she adopted Y'shtola. I think she took up her master's name, rather than inheriting a title (or the title inherited is Master). And we don't know if Master Matoya (original) was always being referred to by last name.

It's not her last name, unless she's taken it up recently. Y'shtola and her sister both have the same surname of "Rhul" (as listed in the lorebook).

Seeker surnames aren't family names, as the tribe-letter serves that purpose, but females use their father's forename (ie. their father would be Y'rhul Nunh) so it seems unlikely she'd take on a different surname.

[blackcitadel9]

It's not her last name, unless she's taken it up recently. Y'shtola and her sister both have the same surname of "Rhul" (as listed in the lorebook).

Seeker surnames aren't family names, as the tribe-letter serves that purpose, but females use their father's forename (ie. their father would be Y'rhul Nunh) so it seems unlikely she'd take on a different surname.

Well you said recently in there, that's what I mean. She may have took it up prior to that moment we see in the trailer, she's presumably not taken it up as of currently (being unconscious and all). I merely advance it as a possibility. The adopted daughter took her adopted parent's name to carry it forward. (or for some other reason) Is it really so far fetched? Also why does having a last name already stop you taking up a new one?
Master Y'shtola Rhul Matoya. I can totally imagine her as a grumpy old woman later down the line chastising someone for using her full name and title and wasting her time. (I don't believe for a second she'll actually die...the way she keeps getting powers I wouldn't be surprised if she manifested the Echo at this point -_-)

[Iscah]

I did mean to query her being "adopted" in my last post - it didn't sound right to me, but I didn't have my lorebook to check. Now that I do...

She was sent to study with Matoya at the age of seven, and spent the next ten years as her pupil. Not adopted, although something close in terms of long-term living together as she was growing up.

[blackcitadel9]

I did mean to query her being "adopted" in my last post - it didn't sound right to me, but I didn't have my lorebook to check. Now that I do...

She was sent to study with Matoya at the age of seven, and spent the next ten years as her pupil. Not adopted, although something close in terms of long-term living together as she was growing up.

When I say adopted, I refer to Matoya's words and her overall demeanour towards her, I don't mean formally adopted. It's pretty clear (to me at least) she views Y'shtola as akin to a daughter. Matoya certainly seemed pretty crushed (if only for a moment before flipping back to problem solving mode) that Y'shtola was afflicted by the "voice" - Still that could just be a mentor feeling concern for a favoured pupil, but people are complex. I don't see the concepts as easily separable if she met her when Y'shtola was 7 and spent 10 years together, neither of the two are good at expressing themselves when it's about affection but it definitely there. At the very least 10 years at a young age with a very strong personality like Matoya's is going to leave a lasting impression.

And on that note, I can easily see why Y'shtola would take up her name. At least that's my take and I look forward to seeing how completely off-base I am in Shadowbringers. (or even in the last part of this patch) XD