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    Quote Originally Posted by Crushnight View Post
    The person i quoted and set that 'challenge' to was in favor of gender locking viera without giving a reason why they think that after being called out by people they went on to say they are sick of criers who just complain whenever they don't get what they want so i then called them out specifically why they think male viera should not be added basically why they were in favor of gender locking them.
    The bogus restrictions are the common defense i have seen in every thread about this and guess what they are bad reasons as
    1. Male mi'qotes are equally as rare and are fully playable so lore is moot
    2. Yes personal preference should have no bearing on reasoning to me this should include the Producer himself i will never ask for his job if he lets his personal taste completely dictate sound reasoning i will however have absolutely no sympathy for him if he gets hounded at every interview about it
    3. If they try to defend the devs saying its too much work HW gave more that what ShB is giving currently this could change at Tokyo not a future reader afterall, HW is also the best comparison as was last time gave a new race.

    Those that wanted to play female viera will play female viera those that wanted to play male viera will play as them if male viera is forcibly locked out some may go as female viera but a lot of those that wanted to play male won't. I cannot speak for other posters but if male viera is different to what i may want i will still play like i did au ra also i would be content that they were added period the main issue i have is gender locking itself and i personally would find it a very bad direction for ffxiv to take.
    Also Yoshi P specifically hated 'cute' male viera not male viera in general
    I am not trying to play devils advocate here (you haven't accused me of it, just starting off with that statement lol), more like trying to keep everyone hopeful but prepared for what they might find the worst case (myself included lol). Like for me, I really want a bestial race and in fact if it was just a straight up port form Ronso FFX I'd be like "WOOOT" lol (although I find that unlikely).

    However, taking part in the conversation and puzzle (will they wont they lol) I found I might think male Viera to be interesting (if its a bit feral like, at least one of the clans). . So I'm here for an honest discussion. I know you haven't accused me (so I'm not trying to defend myself against you haha) but I just want people to know I'm not trying to stir a pot just cause, especially with what I say next lol.

    With all that said, consider that all the people who thought the reasons why blue mage was limited (myself included) were all issues that were like "but you could fix that.. but why..".

    You list out how the male Viera even with their "issues" shouldn't be banned from existing, this is what many blue fans did before (and still after) as well. Also considering that ancient word of Thal (Yoshi-P) has said that Blue Mage will be X and so it was, and Viera will be Y... and so it may be? It's not that he can't change his mind, he has.

    I guess I add that because you said he didn't like a cute male viera but I think it's more accurate to say he doesn't like male viera because they will feel cute (in his opinion) - the distinction small but important. It's possible to show him a design where he changes his mind, but I believe he said it in a way that is "how I keep seeing male viera, it's cute, I don't like it" (so he's thought of it on his own at least, and doesn't really like it). To such a point that he has also said they might be genderlocked (even after unlocking other races, of course this was said LONG ago).

    For genderlocking:
    • May be hard to believe they design two whole races, but the leak has been so accurate that it feels like one must include a lion race concept somewhere
    • SE used the miqote lore that was used to lock genders before
    • Yoshida has said he may lock Viera and make another male race (many many years ago)
    • The designer of Viera may feel uncomfortable with male Viera (he never made them before in his other three tactic games, if he had wanted to in the past he probably would have already)
    • The reveal picture for the jobs was two images in silhouette but Viera was just a bunch of females with no blank space (like the shadowbringer landing page website)
    • They've played very coy around the race, "Japan Fanfest" being the extent of an answer about it

    If genderlocked then for Ronso-like/lion race:
    • Ronso have similar feet to viera, the system they just made
    • Ronso have elvaan like shaped ears, when the talk of Elvaan ears and helmet system came up Yoshida silenced that fast
    • The hair Viera use is a bit like the hair you might see on Ronso
    • Not important like the other new systems added but Ronso happen to have claws like Viera
    • They're not cute like bunny, but there is a concept art that looks a bit like a Ronso (so the concept art could have lead to a departure of bunny into this)
    • The leak mentioned lion race and Ronso is one of SE's most iconic Lion races (there exists a few others but they're far less prevalent)

    Not genderlocked, for lion Viera:
    • Yoshida may find them not so cute anymore
    • Meets the leak criteria
    • Designer of Viera gets to finally release the counterpart and was able to write the lore that made them, giving them another opportunity to touch the world and FFXIV
    • They're not genderlocked so that's not a issue anymore (complaints of dimorphism may happen though)
    • They probably will look like how you would imagine a male solo-ing the world since the age of 13 (out in the wild nearly their whole life, killing on sight), so it seems lore approriate (if they were tough, buff, and muscular)
    • One of the concept arts looks a bit like a Ronso (hair puff chest, not terribly long ears, full hair, and a bit of a mane)

    Not Genderlocked, normal Viera male (leak was mistaken or there are two races):
    • People will be upset if it's locked, they have unlocked other races already and that was a well loved decision
    • Male viera have similar lore to male miqote such that npc will be very rare but they don't have to lock the race
    • They've made concept art for males

    For Two Races:
    • Meets critera of leak
    • Isn't genderlocked
    • . . . .
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    • Not supporting evidence but it would be pretty cool surprise

    Leak is Yoshi-P and he's needed a destresser:
    • He and team are so overworked that they come to the forums to watch us roll around wondering what in the world will happen, lion is the ultimate cake and it's a lie
    • Male Viera

    Also possible leak mistaken a race concept that is NPC only (and isn't Yoshi, I was just joking about that but I figure whoever leaked either has a lot of access or their design teams are very open), but I feel like with how they reported things that they would know better than to mistake say a beastmen race or anything like that. If the leak is a lie and there is only one race and it is genderlocked I'm going to flip a table for you guys lol, I imagine if there is only one non-genderlocked race then it is either lion viera or a good ol regular viera male.

    For little boi bunny / boi clan:
    • Elvaan ears on a small alphatoad (yes I know lol), Yoshida wanted to hush that conversation up really fast. Conversation was in context of a system for helmets that Viera will use.
    • One of the many concept arts is of small bunny bois. (some argue are children some argue are more just child like because like lala small looking = young).

    Keeping in mind we have a long standing tradition for two clans per race, with the possibility that the clans are quite different (hyur).
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    Last edited by Shougun; 02-07-2019 at 05:04 AM.