Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Seraph522]

correct me if im wrong please cuz I want any tank expert,especially dark knights, to tell me if they ever did drop Tank stance while MTing on anywhere during trials and raids except downtime on bosses where they're not tankbusting/auto-attacking......cuz almost all tanks I saw up to this point always have tank stance up when they MT and only proceeds to drop it during either downtime,tankswap or tight dps checks.Cuz this Dark Knight is an enigma that will continue to elludes me with how utterly bad he was.

I'm not the best DRK by any means but at the very least when I aggro a boss on trials or raids I won't let go of aggro unless the boss demands a tank swap or if I needed to DPS during downtime/dps checks

I mean, speaking in terms of optimization, yes, tanks should drop tank stance as soon as possible and stick to DPSing throughout the fight; if they do their opener correctly and the OT vokeshirks them regularly, that and tank swapping should provide more than enough aggro to not require tank stance for the rest of the fight. That being said, presuming good coordination in a PUG group as opposed to a static is dangerous, and if he wasn't communicating beforehand, that's a problem. Moreover, it definitely sounds like the DRK wasn't doing their opener correctly; unless one of your DPS was a NIN and was using Shadewalker on him, the DRK should open with Unmend in Grit, use a Dark Arts-enhanced Power Slash combo alongside a DA-enhanced Dark Passenger, and then drop Grit and start DPSing. That kind of opener generates a massive aggro lead and would be more than enough if your PLD friend was vokeshirking him regularly, but if he didn't do the combo, then he wouldn't have started with a good enough lead. Frankly, it sounds like they were trying to mimic WAR's opener, which only begins with Tomahawk and Equilibrium before switching to DPS stance, but DRK can't spike aggro like WAR can.

That, and their inability to hold aggro, failure to use Provoke effectively, and general failure of the mechanics suggests they didn't know what they were doing.

[Alrin]

Aurum Vale. Tank going through middle on the first area pulling a lot of mobs... Then turning Morbols on party members later on...

I thought that he was trolling but he was new so...

Thank the twelve that I am kind and calm person cause i was a healer.

[MetalSnakeXI1]

I mean, speaking in terms of optimization, yes, tanks should drop tank stance as soon as possible and stick to DPSing throughout the fight; if they do their opener correctly and the OT vokeshirks them regularly, that and tank swapping should provide more than enough aggro to not require tank stance for the rest of the fight. That being said, presuming good coordination in a PUG group as opposed to a static is dangerous, and if he wasn't communicating beforehand, that's a problem. Moreover, it definitely sounds like the DRK wasn't doing their opener correctly; unless one of your DPS was a NIN and was using Shadewalker on him, the DRK should open with Unmend in Grit, use a Dark Arts-enhanced Power Slash combo alongside a DA-enhanced Dark Passenger, and then drop Grit and start DPSing. That kind of opener generates a massive aggro lead and would be more than enough if your PLD friend was vokeshirking him regularly, but if he didn't do the combo, then he wouldn't have started with a good enough lead. Frankly, it sounds like they were trying to mimic WAR's opener, which only begins with Tomahawk and Equilibrium before switching to DPS stance, but DRK can't spike aggro like WAR can.

That, and their inability to hold aggro, failure to use Provoke effectively, and general failure of the mechanics suggests they didn't know what they were doing.

Thank you

the problem was there wasnt much communication from the DRK to begin with,and from my observation he didn't seem to do much optimization as like i said grit was turned off immediately after the unmend cast and he never communicated much to my PLD friend beyond "Oh wanna take first tailend"?

Our DPS consisted of 1 BRD(me) and 3 Samurais(yes three samurais).At first I thought the problem was from them not using diversion but nope they did it's just our DRK kept losing aggro early all the time so they had to pop theirs off.

I wouldn't have been so upset with the DRK .......if they didn't keep gathering vuln up stacks from the spin/flip explosions as they kept dying to Tail End tankbusters even at full health as it clearly seem the guy went in with a speedrun/parse clear mentality in mind and was too worried about their precious uptime rather than doing mechanics correctly

[AleXwern]

It doesn't help that two of the DPS were samurais and were forced to pop up their diversions early with how constantly the DRK was losing aggro so as u could imagine,Midgardsormr was spinning around like a record disc causing him to do the spin/flip while he's looking at the corner completely messing up the parties placements.

If you feel like you need to pop Diversion "early" then you are using it way too late. It's an aggro block, not dump, and the most effective use of it is to pop it when fight starts. Casters even pop it pre-pull. If you pop Diversion when you get/about to get aggro then you are using it way too late.

In my eyes tank stances are a early prog tool and should be gotten rid of when you try to go for clear. In savages you are not supposed to sit in tank stance 24/7 because the difference between tank stance penalties and dps stance boosts are the difference between enrage wipe and clear (and not even 1-2% wipe).

[MetalSnakeXI1]

If you feel like you need to pop Diversion "early" then you are using it way too late. It's an aggro block, not dump, and the most effective use of it is to pop it when fight starts. Casters even pop it pre-pull. If you pop Diversion when you get/about to get aggro then you are using it way too late.

In my eyes tank stances are a early prog tool and should be gotten rid of when you try to go for clear. In savages you are not supposed to sit in tank stance 24/7 because the difference between tank stance penalties and dps stance boosts are the difference between enrage wipe and clear (and not even 1-2% wipe).

Fair enough I got that

What I don't get then is why did he never used provoke not even once during the instance when he was losing aggro,sure he doesn't have to keep grit 24/7 but the least he could do if he doesn't know how to lock aggro is turn it on,provoke,lock aggro then turn it off and start DPSing.

That would've been all well and good if he didn't keep getting hit by spin/flip explosion and building up vuln stacks which had him always get killed by Tail End which is extremely bad after Time Immemorial cast since my PLD friend had the flying debuff and midgard is a flying target for most of the fight except the hottail/bulwark phase which means he immediately gets inflicted by Doom.If he claims he knows how to tank I wouldn't have even complained about the lack of tank stance if the aggro was locked from the get go and he didn't drop dead like the floor tank he was

[SannaR]

Just got A6 and had a great group but I guess Vortexor was mad and had to pull off a I'm taking you with me type thing as he killed me as MT just as he was dying.

[SpiritMuse]

How dense are some people....

Valentione's duty, I had to leave because the other person absolutely, unequivocally *refused* to understand what the matching cards game was about... I typed, screamed, keysmashed, pointed, pointed again and still they refused to communicate and insisted on picking the cards I had already marked because we had already seen them... we were in there long enough that I could actually vote abandon. I couldn't bear to wait for them to click no so I just ended up leaving.

Thought I'd do a little fun quest before bed but instead I get a 30 minute penalty.

[SaitoHikari]

I ran into a Scholar recently who did no damage at all during an expert roulette, and while I normally don't take much issue with that since I do enough damage on my own to cover for it, they refused to use Chain Stratagem even when I asked for it as a Bard, since I need the crit boost for my opener and all.

Their reasoning? They're a healer and chain stratagem is an offensive ability.

whywhywhywhywhy

[HyoMinPark]

they refused to use Chain Stratagem even when I asked for it as a Bard, since I need the crit boost for my opener and all.

Their reasoning? They're a healer and chain stratagem is an offensive ability.

whywhywhywhywhy

Delete this.

[Mirakumi]

Was in a PT with some tank who carried my PT through the Final Steps of Faith.
Used LB3 on himself for the stack marker and widdled Nidhogg's HP to 0.
Then Posting this in PT chat.
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