Good King Moggle Mog XII DOWN!

[Nilheim]

I haven't tried the Moogle fight yet, and honestly I think we'll try to beat it without using the raise method. However I don't care if other people want to beat it that way, and I don't understand why you people care either. After all, what's it to you? Maybe you think only those with enough time to train enough on this fight should win? I guess that makes sense, even though I don't agree with that logic, since other groups winning doesn't affect you in any way. Maybe you feel more special if only you have the kill and the weapons?

This may be off topic but I also find the other "legitimate kill" conditions lame, if someone wants to win the fight with 6 ARCs, why exactly do you care?

This is not FFXI, I understand that obviously, but the reraise method was used a lot back then, and nobody was asking for a ban if you used a shitload of SMN's on hard CoP fights to "exploit" Astral Flow. So why does it matter now? Again, is this all about virtual prestige or some shit?

Finally, it makes me laugh how some linkshells get butthurt over not having the first NA/server kill. What's the difference? You guys need to chill and remember this is only a game, after all. Well, maybe this isn't my place to speak of such things, after all people can compete however they please...

[Penguin]

Sorry, maybe I shouldn't have posted earlier that you could do that if everyone had been exploiting off what I posted earlier in the thread as an observation.

In any case we beat it without using that trick.

People would have figured it out even if you hadn't posted so i wouldn't worry

Its extremely easy to accidently reset them and have someone up without aggro as we found out on 1 of our attempts so if you guys hadn't found it out i am sure others would have.

Congrats on your kill though even though it isn't really that difficult of a fight it felt good to get the kill

[Zdenka]

People would have figured it out even if you hadn't posted so i wouldn't worry

Its extremely easy to accidently reset them and have someone up without aggro as we found out on 1 of our attempts so if you guys hadn't found it out i am sure others would have.

Congrats on your kill though even though it isn't really that difficult of a fight it felt good to get the kill

Honestly the most "difficult part" of the fight is getting people used to the new combo changes. Had trouble a few attempts due to low DPS (where I'd do ~70-80 DPS and a few others lagged behind at 30-50), but as people are getting used to them the fight is getting easier and easier.

We used a PGL to tank the MRD in Phase2 too, so whoever thinks PGL are worthless now they are pretty good as kite tank! xD

[Penguin]

We used a PGL to tank the MRD in Phase2 too, so whoever thinks PGL are worthless now they are pretty good as kite tank! xD

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO don't say that or 1 of our members might see and start playing PGL in our groups!

[Zdenka]

Its DPS is still terrible terrible though haha. Has larger MP pool than MRD and GLA and gets Taunt which is exclusive I think?

And better 2nd Wind!

[SniperRifle]

I haven't tried the Moogle fight yet, and honestly I think we'll try to beat it without using the raise method. However I don't care if other people want to beat it that way, and I don't understand why you people care either. After all, what's it to you? Maybe you think only those with enough time to train enough on this fight should win? I guess that makes sense, even though I don't agree with that logic, since other groups winning doesn't affect you in any way. Maybe you feel more special if only you have the kill and the weapons?

This may be off topic but I also find the other "legitimate kill" conditions lame, if someone wants to win the fight with 6 ARCs, why exactly do you care?

This is not FFXI, I understand that obviously, but the reraise method was used a lot back then, and nobody was asking for a ban if you used a shitload of SMN's on hard CoP fights to "exploit" Astral Flow. So why does it matter now? Again, is this all about virtual prestige or some shit?

Finally, it makes me laugh how some linkshells get butthurt over not having the first NA/server kill. What's the difference? You guys need to chill and remember this is only a game, after all. Well, maybe this isn't my place to speak of such things, after all people can compete however they please...

Agreed. And to add...

I think some peoples ego just get to them. Like the fact they are emotionally struck by shamefully going along w/ a non-legit kill... So they have this negative connotation for every person in the world who isn't emotionally struck by using a non-legit tactic to overcome a boss in an incomplete game.

However, to throw the legit side a bone... Going into fights w/ the mentality that the only way you're going to kill is to do it w/o a full party wipe probably boosts performance during the heat of battle.

[Penguin]

Its DPS is still terrible terrible though haha. Has larger MP pool than MRD and GLA and gets Taunt which is exclusive I think?

And better 2nd Wind!

Yeah i think we considered it at one point for the slow combo even but i think we just ended up going with GLA so we didn't have to use a PGL ^^

Every class should be viable for the fight and a group with all 7 classes in it should be capable of killing the fight we just do it the dps burn way as it suites us quite well.

[Jennestia]

nobody was asking for a ban if you used a shitload of SMN's on hard CoP fights to "exploit" Astral Flow. So why does it matter now?

See, that was something completely different -- People thought the only way to complete BCNMs in CoP were to use SMN SMN SMN BLM BLM, PLD type setups, it wasn't exploiting anything because it's not an exploit to use your job's 2hr.

You know what was an exploit, using FFXI as an example?

"Wall of Justice" which prevented Absolute Virtue or his Wynav's from damaging you.

"Terrain Superiority", which prevented majority of tough Abyssea NMs from attacking you by exploiting geometry errors, i.e if you're in Abyssea Misereaux Coast and fighting the Amphitere NM, you drag him to the bottom the cliff, tank it there and have everyone wail on it (within means) at the top of the cliff, guess who only gets hurt? The tanks on the bottom, no one on the cliff. These are exploits because they completely change the flow of battle by bypassing certain mechanics.

Using Astral Flow x 4-6 isn't an exploit, it's just an auto-win button.

If you reach enough using that logic you can call Atma of the Apocalypse an exploit because it's auto-reraise III inside of Abyssea, the exploit being talked about regarding this battle is something completely different given how XIV itself works. People love to say "THIS ISN'T FFXI!" yet it's being compared the way mechanics were handled in both games.

[Dreadnought]

See, that was something completely different -- People thought the only way to complete BCNMs in CoP were to use SMN SMN SMN BLM BLM, PLD type setups, it wasn't exploiting anything because it's not an exploit to use your job's 2hr.

You know what was an exploit, using FFXI as an example?

"Wall of Justice" which prevented Absolute Virtue or his Wynav's from damaging you.

"Terrain Superiority", which prevented majority of tough Abyssea NMs from attacking you by exploiting geometry errors, i.e if you're in Abyssea Misereaux Coast and fighting the Amphitere NM, you drag him to the bottom the cliff, tank it there and have everyone wail on it (within means) at the top of the cliff, guess who only gets hurt? The tanks on the bottom, no one on the cliff. These are exploits because they completely change the flow of battle by bypassing certain mechanics.

Using Astral Flow x 4-6 isn't an exploit, it's just an auto-win button.

If you reach enough using that logic you can call Atma of the Apocalypse an exploit because it's auto-reraise III inside of Abyssea, the exploit being talked about regarding this battle is something completely different given how XIV itself works. People love to say "THIS ISN'T FFXI!" yet it's being compared the way mechanics were handled in both games.

i know it irritates the hell out of me.
the games are different enough to not be compared at all, but people refuse to let FFXI go.

someone even suggested we start pudding nuking camps again because MP is rendering a lot of THMs unable to keep up with CNJ and melee in bosses and partying.
i never once heard a single BLM say they loved and preferred pudding camps over being able to participate in other Party based leveling. especially if BLM was their main.
i myself was a SCH and felt like i was partying with abandoned welfare (government assistance for no income families) children whenever i Puddinged with BLMs.

pls leave your FFXI fetish in the bedroom people. if gay men cant hold hands in public then the same should apply for you FFXI fetishists on these public forums :3

[DeadRiser]

I'm not sure that you and other parties you have spoken to know how to "play" any more. Sounds more like a job than fun. And you're implying that before and after people reset, they don't have to worry about the same things? Well, congrats on your awesome wins.

And to keep at least one of my posts a little productive, here's a brief breakdown of the Moogle skills for people who are interested.

The Bard causes other Moogles to "blimp" making them invincible and strong.
The BLM nukes AoE.
The WHM heals.
The Thief casts Break and steals MP in AoE.
The Archer "sets his sights" and then blasts you pretty hard.
The MRD deals AoE damage.
The GLA tanks like a sissy.
The King can use any of the other Moogle's abilities.

This info is at least 90% accurate, good luck in your fights.

Probably the most productive thing in this thread yet. Thanks.

PS can you people shut up about the exploits? Let SE decide who gets banned or not. It's the "exploiters" that have to deal with it in the end so quit putting your nose where it doesn't belong.