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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Something like "Do that quest to 100% learn this AoE, but hunt these optional mobs to learn 6 different aspects of this AoE for elemental purpose in the Carnival" ? That could be a thing, but it might be difficult to do the same with every type of skill.

    Or, like I suggested in some other topics, you could have talents that would be "limited". So, in matchmaking, you'd be forced to use the base version of a skill and those wouldn't be random, but in "talent-parties", you'd have your talents available to enchance some of those. And BLU would have to hunt those "talents" or "talented-skill".

    Yes, but considering SE basically said that this was the only way they could implement BLU, you still need to have a plan to give shape to those options.
    It's like if someone made a poll asking if people want "10 dungeons, 5 trials, and 15 floors for raids in each major patch" or if they'd rather "stick to the current formula".
    Except it's not, option one is meant for people who want option one BLU but with less focus on solo content outside of learning.

    but wait what if someone wants BLU to be a regular job but they don't want the solo content at all and just want it to be a normal run of the mill job?

    Or Hey what if someone just straight up doesn't want BLU to be like every other job but doesn't like how weak it is now and just wants OP skills that lets them solo anything with a hard focus on more solo content?

    Or what if people just like how BLU is right now and want more of that?

    Or what if someone just doesn't care?

    The point of the options is to just give a general CHOICE of how you would like BLU's design plan to be, there's no point in elaborating on what you feel BLU means or how which would be implemented, as each has their own draw backs and benefits and is meant to speak to a general demographic. Just because one has less text attached to it doesn't make it an inherently wrong decision, feeling that way is a subjective interpretation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKimper View Post
    The point of the options is to just give a general CHOICE of how you would like BLU's design plan to be
    Again, if the design plan is not doable, this CHOICE has no value, especially if you want your poll to prove anything in how BLU should be implemented.
    Sure, my criteria might not be shared by everyone, but if you suggest I'll have a BLU that's simply another caster DPS that would still have the additional work of hunting for the skills while every other job simply gain them by leveling, there's no way I would chose that type of BLU.
    Quote Originally Posted by GucciSan View Post
    Yeah that's basically the gist of it.
    It would be interesting to pick several BLU spells and see how we could tweak them. I think White Wind could be easily adjusted by splittng the healing on all targets. So, basically, in solo, the skill would still be very powerful, basically doubling your HP, but in 8-man party, it would simply be a moderate AoE heal. And maybe you could have a "glamour' version that works the opposite, giving you the HP you lack, like the one from FF VIII, that would still be less useful in group content since you wouldn't be the one to take heavy damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Again, if the design plan is not doable, this CHOICE has no value, especially if you want your poll to prove anything in how BLU should be implemented.
    Sure, my criteria might not be shared by everyone, but if you suggest I'll have a BLU that's simply another caster DPS that would still have the additional work of hunting for the skills while every other job simply gain them by leveling, there's no way I would chose that type of BLU.
    Right now it's simply to show what the majority player feedback is leaning towards. Who knows what the devs are thinking right now, anyway? I imagine this poll just helps clarify what the majority playerbase is actually wanting. You're a couple steps ahead in your thinking, as we all are, that's fine and understandable, I have my ideas about how I want those options realized too, but that's the step after a poll. Think about what your ideal Blue Mage implementation is and which option would potentially lead to it, then you can vote that way. If the poll ends up leading to anything then further distinctions can be made.
    Another way of saying this is, if each idea about specific criteria within branches of development direction were added it'd be like a 20 item poll and not a very good one. This helps narrow things down for further discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valdegarde View Post
    but that's the step after a poll.
    For me, that's the step before the poll. Otherwise, it's no different than empty promises like politicians do. It's easy to gain support if you tout an ideal solution that adress every issue without any drawback.

    Like my example above :
    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    It's like if someone made a poll asking if people want "10 dungeons, 5 trials, and 15 floors for raids in each major patch" or if they'd rather "stick to the current formula".
    If the drawback is "having a major patch once every 2/3 year", that might change your vote.
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    Last edited by Reynhart; 01-22-2019 at 08:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Again, if the design plan is not doable, this CHOICE has no value, especially if you want your poll to prove anything in how BLU should be implemented.
    Sure, my criteria might not be shared by everyone, but if you suggest I'll have a BLU that's simply another caster DPS that would still have the additional work of hunting for the skills while every other job simply gain them by leveling, there's no way I would chose that type of BLU.
    Then dno't choose it, there's a reason there are MULTIPLE options, and if you don't like ANY of those I can't really help you there chief. You're already coming into this with the idea that "This can't work because I can't envision it working and don't agree with it therefore this option is invalid" so there's not even a point discussing it. To you the BLU implemented is the way BLU should be and any vote that doesn't align with that is invalid to you.
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