As an FFXI player, thank you for Limited Jobs and BLU SE

[JBee]

(Some light spoilers ahead in case anyone cares)

I like that they tried something new. I had fun for a minute in the middle there, when I was in the process of unlocking new skills with people, and getting to actually use them. Most of the abilities are just normal attacks with a little flair on them to make them feel special, and that's fine really. Most of the super fun ones like Tail Screw either don't work on certain mobs (So much for 'cause it's silly to lv5 death something' as a reason), or they are super low RNG and are more likely to get you killed.

Pros:

- I do love that in the Masked Carnivale it is a perfectly viable and accepted means of success to blow yourself up as long as you take the mob(s) with you. That's clever, and I like it.
- I love how a lot of community building the thing has brought to people. Not always, but quite a bit. I joined a lot of PF groups of 4/4 swaps to try to get everyone skills, and there were only a few paranoid outliers. Mostly, it was fun grind, but a grind.
- I enjoyed the 45-50 duo'ing with another random BLU I met in Mor Dhona the most out of my time playing it. We were very close in level, and we were just rocking through mobs in fun and interesting ways before we moved to Northern Thanalan.

Cons:

- No Duty Finder. You are stuck using friends (who at the beginning were either trying to do it as well and willing to help, or who weren't doing it and would spare some time to blow up Tam Tara for you) or PF (which went from zero to toxic on some things pretty fast). This led to a lot of waiting around for more people willing to come in. Titan Hard group forms and 4 BLUs sit around waiting for 4 other people to come in and be willing to NOT get their skill for x runs. I think this skill took me 60 runs total to get, roughly? I didn't count. Finally got it in a group I set up where we did 4/4 and we switched every 5 runs whether skill learned or not, so that everyone would have a chance at it. Found a way around it, sure, but with DF would have been tons easier to deal with.
- The Masked Carnivale is a meme. It's a schtick. Maybe I didn't get far enough into it for that to hold true, but after 8 floors, I'm not interested in doing more or repeating those again. The water cannon + lava slime floor was enough for me to realize, yeah this is terrible content.
- This has brought out so many levels of negativity and vitriol in the community, I wish they hadn't introduced BLU in any form at all. I've read through posts for months, and one current theme I've seen over and over again... "I don't care you don't get what you want, as long as I get what I want." It's pretty gross. People who are all, "Stop complaining it's not a full job, maybe we want NEW THINGS - but as long as I get what I'm looking forward to (DANCER) that's all that matters." How self absorbed and asinine can you get.
- The EXP Flip Issue. I don't count this as a con because people leveled fast - literally who cares someone beat a Lord of Verminion match faster than you, huh? My issue was how it brought out the worst in people. I saw time and time again the last few days how someone would be using this to level (sure, fine) - by railroading over literally everyone else in the area, regardless of who was where or when. Untagged mobs are fair game, yes, but there's also not being a tool. If you see someone actively killing a limited area, there are other places to go. Same goes for PL'ing. If you see one ore more people in an area you were wanting to use - running in and just railroading over everything is more the issue than the fact that you are powerleveling a character. I think a lot of people missed that.
- People fell for it. People fell for this Limited Experience because it was new content and they wanted something new to do. They did it, and the zones were smushed together with a sea of rhotano rage, and in so doing all but guaranteed more of this eventual disappointment is coming. I played Beastmaster in FFXI because it was a challenging method of self-reliance play (way way back in the day), and already in this forum people are calling for it to also be a Limited Job to turn it into a Pokemon style Gather-Em-Up. That's not what the job was that I played. At least their decision to do this in 14 was based on "trying to stay true to the job" or something.

I'm done posting about this. Negative or Positive, done is done.

BuT aS lOnG As I gEt MiNe I dOnT cArE.

[Valdegarde]

This has brought out so many levels of negativity and vitriol in the community, I wish they hadn't introduced BLU in any form at all. I've read through posts for months, and one current theme I've seen over and over again... "I don't care you don't get what you want, as long as I get what I want." It's pretty gross. People who are all, "Stop complaining it's not a full job, maybe we want NEW THINGS - but as long as I get what I'm looking forward to (DANCER) that's all that matters." How self absorbed and asinine can you get.

I agree with everything you said, but this is the part that hurts the most. I'm trying to be as collaborative as I can these days, but it still bothers me. I'm better understanding and empathizing with the viewpoint of those players who felt like their specific version of FFXIV would be satisfied with something wildly new and particular and niche like this, but frequently it seems to be at the cost of the dashed hopes of many other players.
Edit: Just had another instance of this in another topic. I really should back away from these forums for a while...the hostility and entitlement is ridiculous.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

I'm done posting about this. Negative or Positive, done is done.

BuT aS lOnG As I gEt MiNe I dOnT cArE.

I agree with everything you said, but this is the part that hurts the most. I'm trying to be as collaborative as I can these days, but it still bothers me. I'm better understanding and empathizing with the viewpoint of those players who felt like their specific version of FFXIV would be satisfied with something wildly new and particular and niche like this, but frequently it seems to be at the cost of the dashed hopes of many other players.
Edit: Just had another instance of this in another topic. I really should back away from these forums for a while...the hostility and entitlement is ridiculous.

It's really telling at this point that the people who are actually in the majority on this forum are making themselves out to be the victim when they are being the most hostile of the bunch. I mean look at the very first response in this thread, look at all the upvotes these hostile responses are getting. I mean look at the upvotes you two are getting, you certainly aren't alone or a minority to any degree here.

If anything, the main "hostility" as you put it have been from people hating on those who enjoy Blue Mage and like it's implementation and what it means for the future of this game.

[Seku]

If anything, the main "hostility" as you put it have been from people hating on those who enjoy Blue Mage and like it's implementation and what it means for the future of this game.

Not hating on the people that enjoy the implenmentation, there are quite a few that will take about anything. Personally though, I like my jobs to be completed and usable in current content. Not something to do as a side activity that has no use outside of what should have been a golden saucer activity and that be it's only function. But good for those that are willing to bite that bullet.

As for the future of this game. 2 dungeons, trial, Savage raid or 24 man dungeons , and some type of random side content that they claim is a test, normally fails, and is good for about a month and we won't see again for about 6 months, if ever. Currently Blue mage is that side content.

If it's a new expansion hours upon hours of fetch-em quests, about 5 leveling dungeons, 3-4 trials, some random air points to go and find so that you can actually fly in the zone.

Oh and glam glam for the mog station so that SE can get more money on top of people's sub. It's actually a really good business model.

Ok, if it was so good in FXI, then how can people like this dogs breakfast of a half class here?

Simple, they don't. If you take a stroll around the forums you'll see that there are a lot of complaint threads, both here and at other sites.

[whiskeybravo]

It's really telling at this point that the people who are actually in the majority on this forum are making themselves out to be the victim when they are being the most hostile of the bunch. I mean look at the very first response in this thread, look at all the upvotes these hostile responses are getting. I mean look at the upvotes you two are getting, you certainly aren't alone or a minority to any degree here.

If anything, the main "hostility" as you put it have been from people hating on those who enjoy Blue Mage and like it's implementation and what it means for the future of this game.

The only reason majority/minority plays a part in this is that the overwhelming majority of forum-goers dislike the implementation, which is in disagreement with your personal opinion. There are, quite obviously as your beloved "Likes" indicate, more people who dislike BLU than like BLU. That's important information for SE to consider. But you're almost trying to backdoor in a political & psychological philosophy that, in my simple estimation, has no bearing in this discussion. There's no "majority" silencing the "minority". There's no psuedo-psychological empowering of toxic individuals or opinions. People share their opinions and thoughts, some more bombastically than others, but at the end of the day everyone is free to share their opinion, be criticized for their comments, or be rewarded for their contributions to a discussion. There's no conspiracy.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

The only reason majority/minority plays a part in this is that the overwhelming majority of forum-goers dislike the implementation, which is in disagreement with your personal opinion. There are, quite obviously as your beloved "Likes" indicate, more people who dislike BLU than like BLU. That's important information for SE to consider. But you're almost trying to backdoor in a political & psychological philosophy that, in my simple estimation, has no bearing in this discussion. There's no "majority" silencing the "minority". There's no psuedo-psychological empowering of toxic individuals or opinions. People share their opinions and thoughts, some more bombastically than others, but at the end of the day everyone is free to share their opinion, be criticized for their comments, or be rewarded for their contributions to a discussion. There's no conspiracy.

You have a knack for consistently not understanding what I've been saying at several points. Like... did you even read what they stated? They made themselves out to be a victim when it's not even true. You can look at the very first response in this thread and many others, you know, the ones getting upvoted being as rude as possible for merely suggesting I enjoy what SE did here. They aren't the victim.

Secondly, I don't give a rats butt if there is a consensus opinion, the criticism I've had is the usage of the like system, not that there is a majority and minority. The system hurts discussion when it's already decided by likes.

I don't think there is a conspiracy? Like I've never implied otherwise.

[whiskeybravo]

You have a knack for consistently not understanding what I've been saying at several points. Like... did you even read what they stated? They made themselves out to be a victim when it's not even true. You can look at the very first response in this thread and many others, you know, the ones getting upvoted being as rude as possible for merely suggesting I enjoy what SE did here. They aren't the victim.

Secondly, I don't give a rats butt if there is a consensus opinion, the criticism I've had is the usage of the like system, not that there is a majority and minority. The system hurts discussion when it's already decided by likes.

I don't think there is a conspiracy? Like I've never implied otherwise.

I don't see anybody claiming to be a victim, that's just your interpretation for arguments sake as far as I can tell. Even if we are to go so far as to say there are victims in this situation, the victims certainly wouldn't be the ones who got what they wanted. That's never the case, is it?

But that's all beside the point. BLU is objectively broken. From EXP exploits to afk BLUs getting carried by lv70 friends to lol130 potency. It's pretty obvious to most of us that SE missed the mark, and it was obvious well before BLU ever launched. The # of likes, or lack there of, did not decide the community's tone on BLU - SE did that themselves.

[QT_Melon]

But that's all beside the point. BLU is objectively broken. From EXP exploits to afk BLUs getting carried by lv70 friends to lol130 potency. It's pretty obvious to most of us that SE missed the mark, and it was obvious well before BLU ever launched. The # of likes, or lack there of, did not decide the community's tone on BLU - SE did that themselves.

Umm explain, unless you mean BLU in a party with other Blue mages afk, and in that instance getting to level 50 was really just a side thing since it's fairly obvious the real grind was really the primal spells, for whatever reason?

# of likes isn't a solid indicator. What percentage of the actual userbase really uses this forum for proper feedback, not to mention the many that were banned?

I get quite a bit of the complaints but I just wanted to counter the above because it's pretty much hyperbole, and would rather more well reasoned arguments prevail though I don't know how many devs will really want to read 142 posts of generally recycled arguments.