Thank you SE for...

[Alexandre_Noireau]

Some white knights would argue in circles till the heat death of the universe in order to try justify the unjustifiable.
The job was advertised as DESIGNED for SOLO. If you are requiered to party (and you are required to party), then either the advertising was wrong or the design is a failure.

And even if the advertising is wrong. There is no way arround the fact that the job design is awful, is just RNG filler content in form of a job.

No wonder this genre is collapsing, people are defending this kind of content as "proper content." The delusion.

[Fyce]

Some white knights would argue in circles till the heat death of the universe in order to try justify the unjustifiable.
The job was advertised as DESIGNED for SOLO. If you are requiered to party (and you are required to party), then either the advertising was wrong or the design is a failure.

And even if the advertising is wrong. There is no way arround the fact that the job design is awful, is just RNG filler content in form of a job.

No wonder this genre is collapsing, people are defending this kind of content as "proper content." The delusion.

And some dense people think that "designed for solo" means "solo exclusive content" just to be able to hate on SE with... a sentence in a powerpoint slide.
Impressive argumentation.

[ApolloGenX]

And some dense people think that "designed for solo" means "solo exclusive content" just to be able to hate on SE with... a sentence in a powerpoint slide.
Impressive argumentation.

Ok, but I fail to see how this job is designed more for solo than any other class....aside from having solo content designed for it...which you could argue is just expanded content similar to job quests... I think other classes are better at soloing... like summoner.

[BillyKaplan]

And some dense people think that "designed for solo" means "solo exclusive content"

It kind of does when "designed for solo" is coupled with "not suited for parties". Given these two statements together makes forcing BLUs into party content to be a curious decision at best, and a mistake born out of laziness to make proper content for the class at worst.

[Fyce]

Ok, but I fail to see how this job is designed more for solo than any other class....aside from having solo content designed for it...which you could argue is just expanded content similar to job quests... I think other classes are better at soloing... like summoner.

This job can EXP solo better than any other job. This job has better tools to do undersized content in solo than any other job (at the same level), even SMN. This job as strictly solo content specially designed for it... that you put "aside" for some reasons, arguing that it's just glorified job quests.

If you don't see why it's true to say that this job can mostly be enjoyed solo, I really don't know what else to tell you.

It kind of does when "designed for solo" is coupled with "not suited for parties". Given these two statements together makes forcing BLUs into party content to be a curious decision at best, and a mistake born out of laziness to make proper content for the class at worst.

It is "designed for solo play", as most of the job can be enjoyed solo. It is also "not suited for parties" (implying "regular parties") as the balance of the job is completly off.
If it was supposed to be a solo job exclusively, they wouldn't mention party play in the following slides. Stop cherry picking stuff while ignoring everything else that was said.

Also, if this slide is such a problem, what you'll get is SE saying "sorry it wasn't clear enough, but we didn't mean that the job was exclusively solo". And that would achieves nothing, good job.

The least they can take is fair criticism at their design choices.

Yes, and saying "this powerpoint slide was wrong", is not "fair criticism" of the job, and will achieve nothing. Asking for the job to be more "solo friendly" simply because a powerpoint slide mentionned solo play is ridiculous. That's what I'm saying.

And since you label myself as a white knight, when I'm actually not defending SE at all -I'm doing the opposite, in fact, but people are too stubborn to see it-, allows me to label you as a hater without much consideration either.

And some dense people think that "By forming parties that are pre-formed" it can take part in any kind of meaningful content which means the only content that's "solo exclusive content" is the boring Carnivale or twiddling your thumbs (which is what all BLU can do in terms of endgame content) while your lvl 70 friends solo 50 Primal fights for you, a sentence that wasn't in the powerpoint slide but sold to us as a solo class.

Impressive argumentation.

Oh no, a powerpoint slide was sold to you and didn't convey the actual design of the job correctly?!?!? That's terrible!!1!! Quick, SE, say you are sorry for making that slide!

[Alexandre_Noireau]

"sorry it wasn't clear enough, but we didn't mean that the job was exclusively solo".

Sorry it wasn't clear enough, but we didn't mean that the job was exclusive solo, you will NEED to play it with parties, and the class will be absolute awful on those enviroments, and their progression is infested with RNG that obviously the whole community loves and always have a crave for more, and then after you get through the awful skill progression RNG based system, you can finally play it solo in this amazing instance that is like guildhests but are called "Carnival", which are totally NOT guildhests, just like eureka notorious monsters are totally not FATEs.

Believe me, the slide is the least of the problems here.

[Fyce]

Believe me, the slide is the least of the problems here.

Given how much people cry about a powerpoint slide, I'm afraid it's to be a big issue for quite a lot of people.

Also, I didn't not argue against one single thing of what you said just above. So I'm not going to answer it as it has nothing to do with my point (which is why I didn't include it in my quote). I'm not discussing the actual design of the job. I'm saying that people crying over a slide are doing themselves a disservice.
If only people would understand my point, it'd be quite welcome after 4 or 5 pages of me repeating myself and people continuing to answer me about stuff I never talked about.

[Alexandre_Noireau]

Given how much people cry about a powerpoint slide, I'm afraid it's to be a big issue for quite a lot of people.

Also, I didn't not argue against one single thing of what you said just above. So I'm not going to answer it as it has nothing to do with my point (which is why I didn't include it in my quote). I'm not discussing the actual design of the job. I'm saying that people crying over a slide are doing themselves a disservice.

You are the only one bringing that slide over and over when all this time i've been redirecting the argumentation to the class implementation.
I'd say you are the one losing it over the slide, that, or you are using the slide as a straw man.

I'll say it now, the slide is meaningless, move on to the job implementation.

[ReiMakoto]

This job can EXP solo better than any other job. This job has better tools to do undersized content in solo than any other job (at the same level), even SMN. This job as strictly solo content specially designed for it... that you put "aside" for some reasons, arguing that it's just glorified job quests.

If you don't see why it's true to say that this job can mostly be enjoyed solo, I really don't know what else to tell you.
It is "designed for solo play", as most of the job can be enjoyed solo. It is also "not suited for parties" (implying "regular parties") as the balance of the job is completly off.
If it was supposed to be a solo job exclusively, they wouldn't mention party play in the following slides. Stop cherry picking stuff while ignoring everything else that was said.

Also, if this slide is such a problem, what you'll get is SE saying "sorry it wasn't clear enough, but we didn't mean that the job was exclusively solo". And that would achieves nothing, good job.

Can you tell me what part of its kit makes its balance way off, because to me it looks like a fairly balanced support dps, with low personal dps made up for by the high power buff of peculiar light, with the self destructing skills being probably the only point of contention, which really arn't worth it most of the time anyway. And before you argue white wind, even in its current state I personally don't see it as unbalanced, as its a dps loss to use and is only effective when you have health and you can't spam it lest you run out of mana.

[Awful]

Oh no, a powerpoint slide was sold to you and didn't convey the actual design of the job correctly?!?!? That's terrible!!1!! Quick, SE, say you are sorry for making that slide!

I was being facetious by quoting yourself to show how ridiculous you keep clinging onto that slide over and over its getting rather tiresome, why not make something a little more constructive and talk about the class? I mean its no secret that we have here a class that there was a way to implement in XIV but SE took the other side and turned it into something that people are slowly realizing that its a waste of time, everyone knew it was side content but others who are white knight defenders (such as yourself) are claiming this is okay because it "saves the Blue Mage namesake" doesn't this only hinder it?

Why would a company want to spend time on a limited class, have it botched only to have more limited jobs spawn from this failure? People are worried now that Dancer is gonna be on the chopping block do we want to save Dancer or let it fall into a "limited job" where it can only run around punch, heal, kick in lvl 50 content for months and months and level it in a week? I find this appalling honestly.

It's like if idk WoW for example, we'll use this since it's a big MMO as well, they introduced Death Knight, the first hero class in WoW in the Wrath of the Lich King Expansion (WOTLK), its similar in a way that DK was an agent of the Scourge, an entity of evil but they changed it into an actual class. You could now use your favorite Scourge minions in battle, you could tank and be great at it and here's the thing it was really strong at the start, not to mention it wasn't gated by just doing lvl 60 content 2 expansions ago like Blue Mage. I know they're different games but still, there's always ways to make a class be able to function in an MMO.

There's always a way to implement BLU into FFXIV the devs just didn't want to just to protect BLU as its iconic child from past games but I feel like people were cheated in the end when they found out just how utterly pointless it is at the end of the day when you gotta beg your friends "just one more time I swear it'll drop!" for another 30 runs of content we've ran for months, hours, before, Carnivale is new but it was so braindead easy. If this is what limited jobs are going to be its already failing at the head with BLU.