BLU for Duty Finder and Raids! Show your support!

[Jandor]

No, there is a big difference between not using a skill you have and not having the skill. Like I said, you can't blame a lvl30 BLU for not using Eruption, even if a synced lvl 50 BLU would have it learned and would use it.

Eruption should be available at level 20, will be part of the hotfix on Jan.24

Anyway, my point was that from my point of view why they're not using something is irrelevant.

The RDM being a burden because he can't be bothered using all his tools and the BLU being a burden because he couldn't be bothered to learn the relevant skills are both equally as annoying. The former already exists.

[Arkdra]

As maybe the biggest defender of limited blu and limited jobs in general, I will admit that this implementation of blu sucks booty. Why it is bad has almost nothing to do with it being limited though and everything to do with sticking half the skills of the job in instances and giving them a low drop rate. Also has something to do with not getting any skills out of dungeons that are worth a damn (i.e. I am level 44 and nothing is beating out 1k needles spam, though rams voice > dragons voice gets close). I'd honestly rather be doing Eureka and that is the gravest insult I could possibly levy.

[Vahlnir]

I'd honestly rather be doing Eureka and that is the gravest insult I could possibly levy.

SE be like

[Elerus]

Any BLU choosing to not equip skills has every right to be kicked from a duty, no different to kicking someone for playing bad and not using half their kit.

Exactly! I detest the "But the BLUE MAGE COULD HAVE NO SPELLS AND DROOL ON HIS KEYBOARD SO IT CANT BE A REAL BOY" excuse. I once had a tank in a Keeper of the Lake run who, for whatever reason, did not like how our Scholar was healing. To be fair I have no idea if the guy was a Scholar main and the healer really was "doing it wrong" or if he just felt like being an ass because he threatened the healer that if they didn't do things his way he was going to put on a low-level item set and troll. Which I think is exactly what he did as he died again and again. I didn't demand all Paladins be removed from DF, we kicked him, got another tank and moved on. I don't need Square holding my hand and playing my game for me.

[Lycieus]

Exactly! I detest the "But the BLUE MAGE COULD HAVE NO SPELLS AND DROOL ON HIS KEYBOARD SO IT CANT BE A REAL BOY" excuse. I once had a tank in a Keeper of the Lake run who, for whatever reason, did not like how our Scholar was healing. To be fair I have no idea if the guy was a Scholar main and the healer really was "doing it wrong" or if he just felt like being an ass because he threatened the healer that if they didn't do things his way he was going to put on a low-level item set and troll. Which I think is exactly what he did as he died again and again. I didn't demand all Paladins be removed from DF, we kicked him, got another tank and moved on. I don't need Square holding my hand and playing my game for me.

This argument could literally be levied against any job. The restriction, at least in this sense, is arbitrary, and rectifying it would require no additional work by SE. The community would police this just fine.

[diruulth]

Make it a real job. Limited jobs defeat the purpose of an MMO.

[Niwashi]

Can you provide a quote where SE mentioned BLU is designed to be overpowered and capable of soloing EX primals? Because being felt promised something that was never promised is rather silly. Being upset that it was advertised as a solo play experience and having to group up for spells I can get behind that argument but to be upset that they aren't OP and can't solo Primals "as promised" when that was never promised....

But the soloing was promised, and with so many skills locked behind EX primals, the only way to meet that promise would be if we were OP enough to solo them.

Or the better alternative would have been to not put the learnable skills there in the first place. If the job is supposed to be solo oriented, as SE themselves has said, then we should at the very least be able to learn all of its skills solo. The fact that we can't makes it in fact the least solo oriented job in the entire game. Being able to go into dungeons in a pre-formed party is fine so long as it's an optional thing for people wanting to play with their friends. It shouldn't be a mandatory part of learning a solo job.

[Burningskull]

But the soloing was promised, and with so many skills locked behind EX primals, the only way to meet that promise would be if we were OP enough to solo them.

Or the better alternative would have been to not put the learnable skills there in the first place. If the job is supposed to be solo oriented, as SE themselves has said, then we should at the very least be able to learn all of its skills solo. The fact that we can't makes it in fact the least solo oriented job in the entire game. Being able to go into dungeons in a pre-formed party is fine so long as it's an optional thing for people wanting to play with their friends. It shouldn't be a mandatory part of learning a solo job.

I feel like if they had wanted BLU to really be solo the Carnival should have been the main focus of how you level / get your spells. All of your spells should have been gotten from the Carnival and instead of exp you "leveled" based on how far into the Carnival you were. Not make the Carnival end game since I have all, well... most, of my spells now why do I need to do the carnival?

[Niwashi]

I feel like if they had wanted BLU to really be solo the Carnival should have been the main focus of how you level / get your spells. All of your spells should have been gotten from the Carnival and instead of exp you "leveled" based on how far into the Carnival you were. Not make the Carnival end game since I have all, well... most, of my spells now why do I need to do the carnival?

Well, I like that there's a significant open world part as well (simply because I think this game is a bit short on open world content). But it would have been nice if progression (both leveling and learning spells) was a mix of open world and carnival stuff rather than a mix of open world and group dungeons/trials/raids, followed by carnival just tacked on at the end.

[ApolloGenX]

Well, I like that there's a significant open world part as well (simply because I think this game is a bit short on open world content). But it would have been nice if progression (both leveling and learning spells) was a mix of open world and carnival stuff rather than a mix of open world and group dungeons/trials/raids, followed by carnival just tacked on at the end.

I think they could have had the nice open world aspect by placing skill acquisition there- not by making a huge portion of the game and skills (duty finder for dungeons) off limits. They control where you get skills- and a ton are in dungeons and trials and you cannot use the DF... it's like an evil genie granted someone's wish in a nefarious way. It's almost funny.