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[CorbinDallas]

The reason BLU is excluded from matchmaking is not (at least "not only") for its potencies, but the uncertainty of its setup. You could technically end up with a BLU that didn't learn any of the spell or simply set them "bad". By excluding it, it actually protects people from being paired with "bad" BLUs.

On top of that, you'd also have a very different end result between a BLU lvl 18 in Sastasha and a BLU lvl50, that learned all the EX primal spells, synced 18 in the same Sastasha, even if both players play the job perfectly.

This argument fell flat the second we discovered that job quests were locked behind learning specific abilities, 2 of which required entering instances. BLU not having abilities is literally no different than someone queueing without job crystals, their ARR/HW/70 job quests completed, or adequate gear.

[Reynhart]

This argument fell flat the second we discovered that job quests were locked behind learning specific abilities, 2 of which required entering instances.

Except that, again, BLU have to chose their spells, while other jobs have all their skills equipped. Like I said numerous times on numerous topics, if all the jobs could only equip some of their job skills, you'd have drama everywhere because tanks would refuse to equip their tank stance or DPS refusing to equip their enmity tool or party buffs because they only care about their personal DPS. And also that every other job has it skills tied to its level, so two synced characters are the same, whatever their real level is. BLU doesn't work that way.

So, it's in fact literally completely different.

[CorbinDallas]

Except that, again, BLU can chose their spell, while other jobs have all their skills equipped. Like I said numerous times on numerous topics, if all the jobs could only equip some of their job skills, you'd have drama everywhere because tanks would refuse to use their tank stance or DPS refusing to manage their enmity. And also that every other job has it skills tied to its level, so two synced characters are the same, whatever their real level is. BLU doesn't work that way.

So, it's in fact literally completely different.

I can take all my spells off my hotbars, same thing.

[Reynhart]

I can take all my spells off my hotbars, same thing.

Ok, you really should dig deeper into the definition of "same". Because not having the skill unlocked, equipped, or set on hotbar, are three separate things.

Functionally there isn't much difference between someone not equipping skills and someone just not using them, and there is plenty of the latter in DF already.

No, there is a big difference between not using a skill you have and not having the skill. Like I said, you can't blame a lvl30 BLU for not using Eruption, even if a synced lvl 50 BLU would have it learned and would use it.

[CorbinDallas]

Ok, you really should dig deeper into the definition of "same". Because not having the skill unlocked, equipped, or set on hotbar, are three separate things.

Or maybe you should just accept that regardless of having to set abilities or not, being locked out of DF in their current state is laughable.

Any BLU choosing to not equip skills has every right to be kicked from a duty, no different to kicking someone for playing bad and not using half their kit.

[Elerus]

Any BLU choosing to not equip skills has every right to be kicked from a duty, no different to kicking someone for playing bad and not using half their kit.

Exactly! I detest the "But the BLUE MAGE COULD HAVE NO SPELLS AND DROOL ON HIS KEYBOARD SO IT CANT BE A REAL BOY" excuse. I once had a tank in a Keeper of the Lake run who, for whatever reason, did not like how our Scholar was healing. To be fair I have no idea if the guy was a Scholar main and the healer really was "doing it wrong" or if he just felt like being an ass because he threatened the healer that if they didn't do things his way he was going to put on a low-level item set and troll. Which I think is exactly what he did as he died again and again. I didn't demand all Paladins be removed from DF, we kicked him, got another tank and moved on. I don't need Square holding my hand and playing my game for me.

[Lycieus]

Exactly! I detest the "But the BLUE MAGE COULD HAVE NO SPELLS AND DROOL ON HIS KEYBOARD SO IT CANT BE A REAL BOY" excuse. I once had a tank in a Keeper of the Lake run who, for whatever reason, did not like how our Scholar was healing. To be fair I have no idea if the guy was a Scholar main and the healer really was "doing it wrong" or if he just felt like being an ass because he threatened the healer that if they didn't do things his way he was going to put on a low-level item set and troll. Which I think is exactly what he did as he died again and again. I didn't demand all Paladins be removed from DF, we kicked him, got another tank and moved on. I don't need Square holding my hand and playing my game for me.

This argument could literally be levied against any job. The restriction, at least in this sense, is arbitrary, and rectifying it would require no additional work by SE. The community would police this just fine.

[Jandor]

No, there is a big difference between not using a skill you have and not having the skill. Like I said, you can't blame a lvl30 BLU for not using Eruption, even if a synced lvl 50 BLU would have it learned and would use it.

Eruption should be available at level 20, will be part of the hotfix on Jan.24

Anyway, my point was that from my point of view why they're not using something is irrelevant.

The RDM being a burden because he can't be bothered using all his tools and the BLU being a burden because he couldn't be bothered to learn the relevant skills are both equally as annoying. The former already exists.

[Jandor]

Except that, again, BLU have to chose their spells, while other jobs have all their skills equipped. Like I said numerous times on numerous topics, if all the jobs could only equip some of their job skills, you'd have drama everywhere because tanks would refuse to equip their tank stance or DPS refusing to equip their enmity tool or party buffs because they only care about their personal DPS. And also that every other job has it skills tied to its level, so two synced characters are the same, whatever their real level is. BLU doesn't work that way.

So, it's in fact literally completely different.

Not that different. Plenty of tanks already refuse to use tank stance, plenty of DPS already refuse to manage enmity. Functionally there isn't much difference between someone not equipping skills and someone just not using them, and there is plenty of the latter in DF already.

[Crushnight]

they could make doing all the current story quests the requirement to unlock df as for it a Blu would have:
Water Cannon, Faze, 1k needles, Mind Blast, Glower, Blood drain
Have finished masked carnivale challenge 25 which has adapting to boss buffs, better aoe dodging then Novice Network (it might be possible with just above skills as 1k is physical so i'll assume yes till proven no)
Decent left side gear - wep ofc