Is it really that shameful to run order of join Lootmaster pf's for dogs?

[HyoMinPark]

I don’t view Lootmasters as inherently decent in terms of objectives, despite the fact that I won my Susano dog in a lootmaster back when he and Lakshmi were the relevant primals. My decent experience with them wasn’t enough to offset the negative ones I’ve had where the leader disbands the minute they get what they want (usually the mount, but sometimes also crafted items). However, I don’t see the need for people to be sending /tells and being blatantly disruptive. Just filter them out and ignore them if they don’t want to see them.


The only time where “We’re running until all 8 players get the mount” actually works are in the old primals that fall over in 5 minutes or less, and who have extremely buffed drop rates. But I rarely see LMs for ARR or HW primals—they’re almost always for the current primal, or the one prior (e.g., Suzaku LMs still show up occasionally now, but not as much as Seiryu LMs), and seeing as how those have low drop rates to begin with people would rather not chance the only mount that drops definitively going to someone who isn’t them (i.e., they’d rather roll for it than have the leader instantly claim it).

The only reason i even resorted to trying a LM pf was because ive already invested soo much time into this in the first place, I have seen somewhere between 15-20 mounts drop so far and i have lost every single roll whether it being that time when you get nothing but a cluster of low rolls for a while or you finally get a high roll only to see someone roll even higher. I am a very patient person, but it gets to the mind numbing point where its like why am i even here. Why would anyone be optimistic in regards to winning a roll when they have already had nothing but astronomically consistent bad luck on rolling. It's just being human to be dissuaded in such a way i believe. Of course i guess anyone who hasn't been in this situation would have a different view and experience on the matter so perhaps that plays a role in some peoples opinions.

Just stop at 99. Spare your sanity.

[Thamorian]

Nah, lootmaster parties are all scams. You may say you are not but people have been burned too many times.

That's a different statement from what you originally said but scam isn't really the right word either. Scam would imply purposeful deceit which some LM parties are but sometimes it's a well intended PF leader (well intended in that they intend to stay) doing something that's not a very good idea. I just know the word that would describe LM party better overall.

[Liam_Harper]

The only reason i even resorted to trying a LM pf was because ive already invested soo much time into this in the first place, I have seen somewhere between 15-20 mounts drop so far and i have lost every single roll whether it being that time when you get nothing but a cluster of low rolls for a while or you finally get a high roll only to see someone roll even higher.

But that doesn't entitle you to a guaranteed mount. You can't expect others to take the burden of your bad luck and prioitize you first. They aren't responsible for your poor rng. If you're choosing to farm past 99 kills to get the mount before the totem trade, this is your own choice. If not, trade your totems.

I fully agree people shouldn't harass you, it's your party and you can put whatever you like up, but they won't join you either and nor should they. Lootmaster pug parties simply aren't viable for the dogs and definitely not worth the risk, random loot is the fairest option.

[Metalwrath]

Lootmaster in PF is just being selfish and just because you have farmed it a lot doesnt give you precedence over other players.That kinda defeats the purpose of RNG.
I'll help everyone else isnt a valid defense either.Low drap rate so you have no idea how short or long that could take so there is no way for you to actually know if you can stay to help that long.Once again i'll refer to RNG.
By making a PF what you are doing is screwing over other players and it doesnt matter what way you to try and excuse it.You are manipulating the drop system for self gain by allowing only yourself to roll for the item first time it drops.How anybody can try and justify what order you joined the creation of something that takes 2 seconds to do as justification for you getting first roll is beyond me.And some of the players who join last may contribute more to the clear of the fight than others and their reward for that is let everyone else get the item first.
I dont think so...

[AxlStream]

That's a different statement from what you originally said but scam isn't really the right word either. Scam would imply purposeful deceit which some LM parties are but sometimes it's a well intended PF leader (well intended in that they intend to stay) doing something that's not a very good idea. I just know the word that would describe LM party better overall.

You mean which all LM parties are. They are no different than the clears for 1 or clear for friend parties. Honey up potential suckers and then just take advantage of their generosity.

[Thamorian]

You mean which all LM parties are. They are no different than the clears for 1 or clear for friend parties. Honey up potential suckers and then just take advantage of their generosity.

You must be real fun at parties if your post is any indication of how you feel about everything. We all agree Lootmaster parties are not good and you should not make or join them. But what I am reading from you is about the party leader, that any person that makes a lootmaster party regardless of intent must be a scumbag. It's the intent. It's kinda like if someone trips and accidentally breaks something valuable vs intentionally smashing that same valuable item, should both outcomes be that the person is treated horrible for breaking the item? Maybe some people just don't realise how much of a bad idea lootmaster parties are?

[AxlStream]

You must be real fun at parties if your post is any indication of how you feel about everything. We all agree Lootmaster parties are not good and you should not make or join them. But what I am reading from you is about the party leader, that any person that makes a lootmaster party regardless of intent must be a scumbag. It's the intent. It's kinda like if someone trips and accidentally breaks something valuable vs intentionally smashing that same valuable item, should both outcomes be that the person is treated horrible for breaking the item? Maybe some people just don't realise how much of a bad idea lootmaster parties are?

Gaming has been around enough that everyone should know what lootmaster is. If they don't chances are you don't want to be in that party anyways if you don't want to deal with clueless shmucks.

[Thamorian]

Gaming has been around enough that everyone should know what lootmaster is. If they don't chances are you don't want to be in that party anyways if you don't want to deal with clueless shmucks.

Not everyone has played MMO's for years so no, not everyone would know. And regardless of age, FF14 could be someone first MMO and I have met a good number of players in game who say it is. Lootmaster parties are unique to MMO's because in single player games you don't worry about dividing loot among players.

And yeah, don't join lootmaster parties. No one here is advocating that you do. Don't reward the act of making a LM party by joining it.

EDIT: And to my point, OP might be an example of someone who doesn't realise at first how bad idea a lootmaster party is so they came and asked here in the forums and now we are having this discussion.

[ChaseNetwork]

Lootmaster doesn't even matter for a static party of friends/FC mates, since it would take the same amount of time to fill everyone up on mounts between Lootmaster and Need rules.

Lootmaster is a complete waste of time for PUGs, since they may not even be able to stay long enough (approx 20 hours. if you're last in line in a decent party. lol)

Really, they only way to justify the time commitment that would make this work is to form a static that you will reconvene with regularly to complete such tasks.

[xLucia]

I avoid LM farmparties like the plague, especially for content with a (very) low drop rate. It comes across as if the PF leader is being greedy, imo. Idc how good your intentions are, it's unfair to everyone else who wants the mount. Roll on it fairly like everyone else, or wait for drop rates to increase before you run said content if you want better chances.