Is it really that shameful to run order of join Lootmaster pf's for dogs?

[Mizunoko]

I am asking because i tried to do it once whith full intention to stay to help others after i get my dog, however when i set the pf up i would get people sending me tells saying i am a scammer (which i am not). I even had someone join just to tell others i was a scammer and then leave. I understand that there are scammers out there who may run loot master pf's and then ditch after they get dog, but not everyone does that. There are good people out there who are just sick of rng and turning in tokens and willing to help the full party after they get their own mount. I know in Japanese servers they are much more kind and professional about this and join to help each other out. I feel like our culture is a bit immature in this regard or something. I can understand if some people think its not right to run loot master pf's but in no way should that mean they can harass the person about it. It's a setting in the game that we can choose so there should be nothing wrong with using it? From what iv'e experienced is as if some people are acting as if its some sort of bannable offense or something. It's not like im telling people one thing and doing another, that's why i clearly stated in the description that its loot master and order of join.

People should pay attention to what the pf settings and description are when they join. The only way i think scamming would even be possible for someone is if they lied about the order of loot or something, but when i set up my pf i clearly stated and made sure everyone was aware that i would get mine first and the rest is in order of join. I feel like the community is a bit immature to instantly just shun people for running LM pf's when they don't even know the person. I guess this may sound sort of like a rant, and perhaps it is, but at the same time i don't think it's right to harass or grief others just because of the pf settings and loot methods they choose to do. Id like to get the everyone's feedback and opinion's on this. Please be respectful and try to be productive. Thank you.

[InkstainedGwyn]

You can have the best intentions, and I trust that you do, but the game has no guarantees in place and in any game that involves the public people are going to have to err on the side of caution, and assume that people are trolls.

[Nirokun]

Lootmaster party finder is a scam.

You may have good intentions, but life happens and people leave. Drop rates are low, and the leader basically guarantees themselves a drop and everyone else is SOL. The 99 totems turn-in is a fail-safe. Acquisition of drops is terrible EXCEPT for leaders of a lootmaster party. Because it isn't equal for everyone, it's a scam. This reddit thread goes into it in more detail, but essentially it's never in anyone's best interest to join a lootmaster party through party finder.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._party_finder/

[Mizunoko]

You can have the best intentions, and I trust that you do, but the game has no guarantees in place and in any game that involves the public people are going to have to err on the side of caution, and assume that people are trolls.

I completely understand that people may be cautious and it may effect how fast or if the party fills up. My questions and opinions are more however on the subject of people going out of their way to shun or grief others that set up those pf's. If they do not like those pf's then just stay away and mind your own business? I feel like there's no reason to go out of their way to act like a child over these things just to shun others for their choices.

[InkstainedGwyn]

I completely understand that people may be caution and it may effect how fast or if the party fills up. My questions and opinions are more however on the subject of people going out of their way to shun or grief others that set up those pf's. If they do not like those pf's then just stay away and mind your own business? I feel like there's no reason to go out of their way to act like a child over these things just to shun others for their choices.

I get the stigma against those parties, but you are right that nobody should be acting in that sort of manner.

[Mizunoko]

Lootmaster party finder is a scam.

You may have good intentions, but life happens and people leave. Drop rates are low, and the leader basically guarantees themselves a drop and everyone else is SOL. The 99 totems turn-in is a fail-safe. Acquisition of drops is terrible EXCEPT for leaders of a lootmaster party. Because it isn't equal for everyone, it's a scam. This reddit thread goes into it in more detail, but essentially it's never in anyone's best interest to join a lootmaster party through party finder.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._party_finder/

I don't think you know what scam means. Look up the definition. A scam implies that you are lying about something and then doing something else. People should read the pf description before joining. It's their own obligation to know what they are getting into before joining. As long as the person leading the pf is not saying its not a LM party when it is or lying about the order, there is nothing (technically by definition) that implies it is a scam. You could consider it a greedy thing to do, however if you want to be factually correct, you cannot call it what it isn't. If LM was a scam it wouldn't be a setting people could check.

Scam - a dishonest scheme; a fraud.

To put it shortly PEOPLE can scam, but a party finder setting itself is not a scam. You make it sound as if the system itself is flawed "Lootmaster party finder is a scam. " which it isn't. Loot master settings are in most mmo's and they are there for reasons.

[Nirokun]

I don't think you know what scam means. Look up the definition. A scam implies that you are lying about something and then doing something else. People should read the pf description before joining. It's their own obligation to know what they are getting into before joining.

Scam - a dishonest scheme; a fraud.

Interpret it how you want, having a PF saying "Stay until everyone gets a mount" while putting yourself at the front of the list is misleading. People WILL leave. The reason there is a turn-in for 99 totems is because people may not get a drop in 99 runs. Nobody is going to stay for 99 clears, that's completely unrealistic.

The community shunning people who open a lootmaster party is just the community protecting the community. Lootmaster party leaders are preying upon others, it's very simple. So anyone from the ffxiv community can join your party, tell everyone in your party that it's a scam to clarify what they've signed up for, and drop party. It's like a PSA.

[Nora_of_Mira]

To put it shortly PEOPLE can scam, but a party finder setting itself is not a scam. You make it sound as if the system itself is flawed "Lootmaster party finder is a scam. " which it isn't. Loot master settings are in most mmo's and they are there for reasons.

I agree, by definition, Lootmaster is Not a scam. but given the context of "we're going to run this content enough so that 8 people get a dog" is NOT going to happen no matter what people say. The party leader will get it if it drops and likely will leave shortly afterwards. THAT is a scam and its why people avoid parties like these because we cannot see these parties as ANYTHING but malicious and manipulative.

[Vahlnir]

It mostly depends on who's setting it up. I've joined a few Lootmaster farms before. Sometimes the leader stays as long as the group doesn't fall apart. Other times they will leave the second they get a drop. RNG is also a factor because while the drop rates of certain mounts went up, it's still entirely possible to only see 1 or 2 per farm, which makes Lootmaster rather pointless for anyone but maybe the first 2 people to join (leader included).

[Mizunoko]

I agree, by definition, Lootmaster is Not a scam. but given the context of "we're going to run this content enough so that 8 people get a dog" is NOT going to happen no matter what people say. The party leader will get it if it drops and likely will leave shortly afterwards. THAT is a scam and its why people avoid parties like these because we cannot see these parties as ANYTHING but malicious and manipulative.

I feel like this is just the opinion of the type of people who have no optimism, and to prove this wrong i have run farms before where the full party has actually stuck around to get the mount. Sure it may be unlikely, but in no way does that mean it's difinitionally a "scam". It all comes down to the intention of the person running the party finder. It is everyone else's own obligation to know the chances of things before they join. Just like its your own obligation to know the chances of a mount even dropping.

Basically what i'm saying is your treating this as this: if the chances are unlikely then it must be a scam. By saying that you are saying that mount farming in general is also a scam because the chances in a normal loot pf of a mount dropping and also winning a roll on a mount is also unlikely. Thus you are saying mount farming or farming anything with a low drop rate is also a scam.