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[Nabiri]

I know some people who seem to think I shouldn't be allowed to have/voice an opinion before playing BLU.
Mostly they just seem to want me to enjoy it for what it is, but I honestly don't see the point. We already know it has no endgame.

It would be like saying that I don't know the joy of having a car before I own one.. and then having me buy a car that doesn't drive - doesn't work - won't go anywhere. Yay, I have a car, I can sit in it... but it won't move.
Yay, I leveled BLU, ...but now I can't do content with it. What's the point?
Why would I go level it, risk liking it, and then have more disappointment in not being able to play it normally - raiding, endgame.

I beg SE to never add a limited job again, and find a way to implement this to work as any other job would. The player base has some excellent suggestions already. I would love for SE to look into more options.

[Reynhart]

We already know it has no endgame.

By that definition, Gathering has no endgame, Crafting has no endgame, PvP has no endgame, Gold Saucer has no endgame, Sightseeig has no endgame, Hunts has no endgame, Grand Companies have no endgame...

[BillyKaplan]

Gathering has no endgame, Crafting has no endgame

That's not quite true. Their end-game is the latest tier of their respected fields, which often requires as much gear investment as Savage raiding.

Grand Companies have no endgame...

That's arguably a problem more so than something to use as support to your argument. Though I do concede that BLU's endgame is the Masked Carnivale. That much was obvious from the get-go. Now, how long would this end-game last (in comparison with other 'endgames' when a new tier comes out) remains to be seen.

[Reynhart]

That's arguably a problem more so than something to use as support to your argument.

You still have the process of gaining Captain Rank, which is completely unrelated to leveling or gear, so it's a "kind" of endgame. For me, endgame is simply a thing that needs investment after the whole leveling process. Wether this investement is skill, randomness, steady progress or money doesn't negate its purpose.

Though I do concede that BLU's endgame is the Masked Carnivale.

Exactly. BLU simply has its own endgame, and, from my point of view, I'm more interested in a new concept of endgame than simply having a new job to do the same things I could do with every other job.

[BillyKaplan]

I'm more interested in a new concept of endgame than simply having a new job to do the same things I could do with every other job.

I'd rather have both now we can only hope it'll happen one day

[Reynhart]

I'd rather have both now we can only hope it'll happen one day

Well, you'll have two new jobs to do endgame in late June. And a Public Dungeon as different endgame in Hydatos before that.

Which covers the issue of having Several endgame but only one of them is allowed to be the universal more rewarding regarding gear, or else those who do this content will feel completely betrayed and will complain endlessly. So, those other endgames needs to stay separate.

[BillyKaplan]

Well, you'll have two new jobs to do endgame in late June.

See, the thing is, I'm a person who cares about flavor and gameplay. So if I do end up liking BLU, telling me I have other jobs to play the rest of the game with doesn't quite cut it, as has been covered at length in this thread and others.

[Niwashi]

I know some people who seem to think I shouldn't be allowed to have/voice an opinion before playing BLU.
Mostly they just seem to want me to enjoy it for what it is, but I honestly don't see the point. We already know it has no endgame.

It would be like saying that I don't know the joy of having a car before I own one.. and then having me buy a car that doesn't drive - doesn't work - won't go anywhere. Yay, I have a car, I can sit in it... but it won't move.
Yay, I leveled BLU, ...but now I can't do content with it. What's the point?
Why would I go level it, risk liking it, and then have more disappointment in not being able to play it normally - raiding, endgame.

By that definition, Gathering has no endgame, Crafting has no endgame

That's not quite true. Their end-game is the latest tier of their respected fields, which often requires as much gear investment as Savage raiding.

You missed the "By that definition" part. Nabiri complained that not playing it "normally" (which she clarified as meaning raiding) meant that there was no point in BLU, as "We already know it has no endgame." Reynhart responded to point out that there are other things that don't have that specific endgame.

Though I do concede that BLU's endgame is the Masked Carnivale. That much was obvious from the get-go. Now, how long would this end-game last (in comparison with other 'endgames' when a new tier comes out) remains to be seen.

Exactly. BLU has its own endgame, just like crafting and gathering have their own endgame, etc. Nabiri and numerous others are insisting that the only endgame that counts is raiding, and they're ignoring that the game already has alternate endgames that lots of other players like.

I agree that how good BLU's endgame is remains to be seen, but just demanding that the mere fact that it's something other than raiding makes it automatically pointless is ridiculous. There are plenty of people who like FFXIV but don't like raiding (or simply want some variety and to have something else to do besides raiding once in a while). Those are the people BLU is for.

[Nabiri]

Exactly. BLU has its own endgame, just like crafting and gathering have their own endgame, etc. Nabiri and numerous others are insisting that the only endgame that counts is raiding, and they're ignoring that the game already has alternate endgames that lots of other players like.

I agree that how good BLU's endgame is remains to be seen, but just demanding that the mere fact that it's something other than raiding makes it automatically pointless is ridiculous. There are plenty of people who like FFXIV but don't like raiding (or simply want some variety and to have something else to do besides raiding once in a while). Those are the people BLU is for.

I couldn't care less about what things people consider endgame.
I'm not here to argue with you or anyone. I'm here to plead with SE for change.

What I was actually saying is that I can't enjoy it the way I enjoy other jobs in the game. Raiding was an example of something I like to do. I want it's usability to be the same as other jobs. To be able to do the same content.
I worry that more limited jobs will be added. Jobs that I'm hoping for and looking forward to, just to not be able to play them as I can play jobs now.

[AxlStream]

What I was actually saying is that I can't enjoy it the way I enjoy other jobs in the game. Raiding was an example of something I like to do. I want it's usability to be the same as other jobs. To be able to do the same content.
I worry that more limited jobs will be added. Jobs that I'm hoping for and looking forward to, just to not be able to play them as I can play jobs now.

Okay cool. Except it's not a job like the others in the game. It's a LIMITED JOB. It is not designed, planned and intended for it to be taken into current end game content. Maybe one day they will revise this but right now, this is quite enough.