Which Healer has the best DPS Solo

[Eloah]

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Wow, if that was your attempt at a pseudo-apology, it's not a very good one. Calling me ignorant and then saying I can't comprehend something, aren't the nicest things to say to someone who has an opinion that differs from yours.

Now please, I don't want this to degrade itself into a post battle. You say WHM I say SCH, let's end it at that, for the sake of anyone else who wishes to express themselves on this thread.

[Ftail]

Wow, if that was your attempt at a pseudo-apology, it's not a very good one. Calling me ignorant and then saying I can't comprehend something aren't the nicest things to say to someone who has an opinion that differs from yours.

Now please, I don't want this to degrade itself into a post battle. You say WHM I say SCH, let's end it at that, for the sake of anyone else who wishes to express themselves on this thread.

I didn't say you were ignorant, I said you could be ignorant or you could be using a hyperbole that I agree with.

Edit:

I really hope what you stated was a hyperbole of a situation that needs to be fixed.

[Ftail]

If a white mage has to spend one extra GCD healing themselves over using a nuke it takes an additional 9-10 Stone IV casts before they make up that lost GCD in terms of nukes alone.

Ignoring the fact that you are wrong in your estimate, the same argument can be made for SCH or AST, except more so, since they have lower potency on their attacks. You don't make up an attack, when you use a GCD to heal, you can continue to attack, but that GCD is lost forever. If we are talking about maximizing DPS for the elite, this is a big deal. However, we are talking about solo DPS without a group, where this doesn't matter.

[BiffWellington]

I would say Scholar, because you can switch to Summoner. Anything you do as a Summoner gets you Scholar experience, too.

[Ghishlain]

WHM has the best raw DPS and can burst pretty hard in shorter encounters thanks to Pressence of Mind.

In longer fights I would still argue WHM due to number of MP resources available (Thin Air and 45s Assize). I find myself with a sizable pool of MP on WHM when both SCH and AST would start to run out. You can't really DPS successfully if you have no MP to DPS with.

But if you're looking to purely do solo content in the sense that you're literally the only player, you really shouldn't be looking at healers. Anything 60 or above can be solo'd exceedingly well with a RDM who has lower HPS potential but significantly higher DPS potential. Things dying faster is the best way to mitigate damage.

[Erakir]

Ignoring the fact that you are wrong in your estimate, the same argument can be made for SCH or AST, except more so, since they have lower potency on their attacks. You don't make up an attack, when you use a GCD to heal, you can continue to attack, but that GCD is lost forever. If we are talking about maximizing DPS for the elite, this is a big deal. However, we are talking about solo DPS without a group, where this doesn't matter.

Wrong in my estimate?

If I use a GCD to heal that I wouldn't have needed to use had I been on SCH since it has a completely free fairy ticking on me nonstop while I'm soloing, I have "lost" 250 potential potency. That GCD is gone, yes. At this t=0 moment, with pure nukes alone, this puts WHM at 0 potency and SCH at 230 potency.

If both healers spent the next 9 GCDs purely nuking with Stone/Broil WHM is now at 9*250 = 2250 potency. SCH would be at 2300. It takes a 10th stone to "make up" the lost damage relative to had I been on SCH and not needed to use a GCD healing because I have a permanent regen on me while soloing. Yes, it's not entirely accurate because over those next 10 GCDs there are DoT refreshes and other things going on. Yes, of course if all healers have to use that GCD to heal in a situation then none of them gain a leg up on potency-per-second.

I'm talking about solo DPS, too. I'm just talking about more than the 10 second open world trash fights. I'm not going to ignore the gained GCDs from a fairy if I'm soloing a single mob FATE or something more difficult (Palace of the Dead? Heaven on High? You're highly encouraged to go quick if you're trying to solo up to a point here), but as WHM levels up it will obtain 'free' oGCD healing via asylum, benison, assize, and tetra. Benediction too. Doesn't eclipse the fairy if I look at everything from a healing potency-per-minute standpoint, and oGCDs still cost time unless weaved, but those bring things a lot closer. This doesn't factor energy drain healing, it doesn't factor fairy laser cause that's level 70. Doesn't really factor rouse. Heck there's even the shadowflare slow that we forget exists.

You won't hear me arguing that in many instances this solo-healing-sustain aspect won't matter and you can just mash your face with Stone and assize to kill a mob in 5 seconds, sure. WHM factually has the most target dummy DPS. On the whole I'm very inclined to say WHM comes out ahead in solo content, but I'm not gonna ignore caveats that put SCH closer and potentially ahead in certain scenarios. It's simply not as cut and dry as copying the Stone Sea Sky numbers.

Ghish is right, though, that in many of these prolonged-solo situations where this can become pertinent, a SCH will feel the MP bar before a WHM will, and that's another point for WHM - and what they say about RDM is completely true.

[Cerenessus]

there is no real pro or con in solocontent for a certen healer - dps-wise they are so close that playstylepreferances are more importend. SCH is more sustained dps while WHM is more burst. but its up to you what you like better.
Just make sure to have snacks for your chocobo with you...

[Ftail]

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You're missing the point, you don't "Make Up" damage that you lose when you spend a GCD to heal. That damage is lost forever.

[Erakir]

You're missing the point, you don't "Make Up" damage that you lose when you spend a GCD to heal. That damage is lost forever.

No, you're missing my point. I understand that 19 Stones will always be less than 20 stones. That 48 Broils will always be less than 49 Broils. But we're comparing healers here. This is a relative comparison. What will X do over a period of time, what will Y do over the same time given all the conditionals involved. The conditions are not always "striking dummy" and I've tried to mention several pieces of solo content that showcase this.

If one healer has to spend an additional single GCD cast to heal themselves and another healer doesn't, the second healer has fit in an additional filler DPS spell. In the case of WHM vs SCH, it takes 25 seconds of straight DPS filler nukes before the WHM has caught up with the same SCH in terms of their output from that one extra Broil the SCH got in vs a WHM's "lost" stone IV from, say, casting regen on themselves. The fairy frees up potential healing GCDs in various bits of content - yes, while solo.

I don't know how else to phrase it without breaking out a timeline of graphics or putting it in a chart. It's all predicated on "Does the WHM have to cast a GCD heal that a SCH doesn't" - and in many cases that answer is no. But not all of them.

[Deceptus]

Don't forget if all you're concerned about is DPS, SCH has selene which after Fey wind can be dissipated for bonus Aetherflow stacks aka more damage.

I think in a straight up dummy fight, a well played SCH can out dps a well played WHM.