can they stop genderlocking outfits that are easily neutral?

[Haxaan]

I am definitely in the camp that all gear and glams should be gender neutral, ESPECIALLY Mogstation ones. If I'm paying real money for things, I should be able to use it on my character, no matter the gender. If they want to make masculine and feminine glams that's totally cool, but they should be able to be worn by whoever wants to wear them.

[Dirwen]

I am definitely in the camp that all gear and glams should be gender neutral, ESPECIALLY Mogstation ones. If I'm paying real money for things, I should be able to use it on my character, no matter the gender. If they want to make masculine and feminine glams that's totally cool, but they should be able to be worn by whoever wants to wear them.

Also mogstation outfits should be sold in pieces instead of just the full set. Like what if I only want the shoes or the hairstyle etc. It's why I refuse to buy any outfit from mogstation and none of them are account-wide with such a high price tag. People still willing to pay for it so I doubt there will be any changes.

[ThunderGodThor]

I agree with OP. Female characters should have access to the new male-only glam. I'd also love access to the gown since males would look fabulous in it. Also Quaintrelle's Ruffled Skirt unlocked for men too please.

[Joven]

the game allows males to wear the bunny outfit, so why are the new gold saucer outfits genderlocked? why is the smock male only when it's already gender neutral anyway? they even have a female version on the npcs. the gown is hideous.

can they stop genderlocking outfits? especially ones that are easily neutral. the fact that men can wear the bunny outfit makes this very lazy and outdated...

There's this little thing called immersion. XIV takes place in a time when men dressed like men and women dressed like women. There were exceptions, but it wasn't the norm. If they start letting everybody wear whatever they want then they might as well just give up on trying to tell a serious story. If there's a giant muscular roe running point wearing a wedding dress and heels during a dungeon then how are you expected to take the encounter seriously?

I get that this a game meant for entertainment purposes so concessions can be made (i.e the bunny suit and other crazier sets), but at the same time they're still trying tell a specific story in a specific setting so things need to be a specific way.

[Lukha]

XIV takes place in a time when men dressed like men and women dressed like women.

'In a time'... this is fiction, not reality, first of all, and secondly, have you seen some of the gear in the game? The Flames uniform for their elite mages is literally a sexy pink skirt that shows off your hips, and the only NPC I can think of who wears it is male. Standards for what is masculine or feminine are neither timeless, nor universal.

Furthermore, if you want to talk about immersion...If my level 70 master weaver can't figure out a way to equip a dress (despite it fitting femroes just fine, when they are both taller and more muscular than him), then that is detrimental to my immersion.

[Joven]

'In a time'... this is fiction, not reality, first of all, and secondly, have you seen some of the gear in the game? The Flames uniform for their elite mages is literally a sexy pink skirt that shows off your hips, and the only NPC I can think of who wears it is male. Standards for what is masculine or feminine are neither timeless, nor universal.

Furthermore, if you want to talk about immersion...If my level 70 master weaver can't figure out a way to equip a dress (despite it fitting femroes just fine, when they are both taller and more muscular than him), then that is detrimental to my immersion.

Any good fiction is grounded in reality, so the time period this game takes place in is a fictional medieval setting. That's why you have knights and castles and such. Thereby it would stand to reason that the dress code would be that of that time period i.e armor, tunics, robes, etc.

Your desire to dress your character in drag has nothing to do with the setting of the world so ultimately if your version of 'immersion' is broken by that, then that's on you.

[Iscah]

I have characters of both genders, and I don't personally have any problem with the "imbalance" of male vs female costumes. If anything I have more trouble finding outfits for my female characters (but more on that later).

The unisex-and-female pairs are essentially reflecting real-life fashion tastes. It's a lot more common for women to wear "men's clothing" than the other way around. In my case, I've never wanted to use any of the female-locked clothing on my male characters (except maybe the bunny ears for a costume), but I have used 'unisex counterpart to female-locked' gear on my female characters, and there's male-locked gear I would use if it was available to them.

And while in reality there's nothing physically stopping someone from putting on clothes intended for the other gender, in the game it means more work for the developers, and I think it's understandable if they weigh up the cost of production versus the likely use that it will get, and say "players are likely to use this male version on their female characters, but very few will use the female version on males so it's not worthwhile doing that". It would be better if they didn't (or didnt' have to) do that, but we don't know what's going on behind the scenes and maybe this is necessary budgeting so they can get more critical things done.

That said, they should probably work more on at least making parts of sets unisex when it doesn't require remodelling work. The Expeditioners' sets are a good example of this - separate gender-locked designs for top and pants (which need individual modelling for each gender), but the gloves and two designs of boots, despite being clearly designed to complement each gendered set, are unlocked and equippable by anyone.



Also, it's been a long-term complaint of mine that, despite having "more options", female outfits (whether directly gender-locked or 'unisex' items with gender-locked appearances) are heavily slanted towards short skirts and more revealing tops. Especially on artifact gear where some really nice pieces suffer for it, in my opinion.

I don't want to use that style of clothing - so it's a self-imposed struggle, I guess, but it probably leaves me in a similar place to people who want to dress their male characters in a "feminine" way. What I want my character to wear is outside of the designers' tastes of what her gender should be wearing. There are things I want that are genderlocked and inaccessible. I have to find workarounds with unisex gear that is feminine in the non-revealing way that I like, but that the designers don't seem to believe in when it comes to actual gendered clothing. Girls get miniskirts, and no you can't have the male version that is literally the same thing with pants underneath.

(And then males can wear miniskirts if they want, thanks to the Uraeus Skirt - but where's my inverted version with the pants underneath for both genders, like the male version of the Boarskin Skirt it's based on?)

Yes, everything should ideally be made equippable by all - but even if they had the budget and time to do that, at the end of the day, you guys could go off wearing your pretty dresses and I'd still be left with a minimal choice of skirts that don't show off my underwear - because the things I want are all unlockably walled off as the male half of a "unisex" item.

We did not get the equivalent of the alpine coat. We got the dress you see on the material suppliers.

Which is very similar to the Alpine gown, except without the fluffy fur collar and the patterned fabric.

I'm glad we got this version of the Ishgardian gown. I'd only noticed recently that there were the two versions for NPCs, and I did like this version better.

Though I wish it dyed the other way around, with the main gown taking the dye colour and the highlights and underskirt in the paler shade. It's a bit hard to find a really nice colour for it.

I'm not really sure why we got the Alpine Coat as unisex in the first place, instead of getting the gendered items to begin with. I'd assumed it must be because the gown wasn't built for player movement, but either they've fixed it since or it was an arbitrary decision. I can't speak for others, but I don't think the male version looks right on my female characters. It is men's clothing for the setting, and it seems strange for a female character to wear it.

Maybe it was just something to do with giving it as a quest reward, and they can't program the game to automatically give you one or the other item according to your gender. (But then, why not just give you both?)

Also you forget that you get a Yanxian smock, or whatever it's called, as a reward for completing the Doman Enclave.

The Yanxian kimono isn't really the same thing. Generally speaking, they're both kimono, but the Yanxian one is more formal and the "smock" is more working clothes with the sleeves tied back.

Also mogstation outfits should be sold in pieces instead of just the full set. Like what if I only want the shoes or the hairstyle etc.

I would also like that option - interestingly it's available for the older seasonal sets and the FFXIII gear.

It's possible it's to do with the shift to using "item coffers" for sending out gear, at whatever point they implemented it? Do any sets come with more than the five pieces they can attach to one piece of mail?

Another alternative I'd like would be the ability to send different pieces of a set to different characters - I know there was one of the unisex sets where I would have liked the coat for my male character and the long skirt for my female character, if I could buy it that way and split the cost.

[ThunderGodThor]

There's this little thing called immersion. XIV takes place in a time when men dressed like men and women dressed like women. There were exceptions, but it wasn't the norm. If they start letting everybody wear whatever they want then they might as well just give up on trying to tell a serious story. If there's a giant muscular roe running point wearing a wedding dress and heels during a dungeon then how are you expected to take the encounter seriously?

I get that this a game meant for entertainment purposes so concessions can be made (i.e the bunny suit and other crazier sets), but at the same time they're still trying tell a specific story in a specific setting so things need to be a specific way.

Dude have you seen coeurl underwear us Roes wear? That's true immersion right there. I like some men in skirts too, really gets me immersed in the experience. You want the Warrior of Light charging into battle with his/her unimmersive boring armor? I say no! Catboys in dresses, Roes in skirts, au'ra woman in Tuxedos, it's all immersive!

Any good fiction is grounded in reality, so the time period this game takes place in is a fictional medieval setting. That's why you have knights and castles and such. Thereby it would stand to reason that the dress code would be that of that time period i.e armor, tunics, robes, etc.

Your desire to dress your character in drag has nothing to do with the setting of the world so ultimately if your version of 'immersion' is broken by that, then that's on you.

I don't see how Mr Fedora can complain about men in drag in a "fictional medieval setting" though =3

[Joven]

Dude have you seen coeurl underwear us Roes wear? That's true immersion right there. I like some men in skirts too, really gets me immersed in the experience. You want the Warrior of Light charging into battle with his/her unimmersive boring armor? I say no! Catboys in dresses, Roes in skirts, au'ra woman in Tuxedos, it's all immersive!



I don't see how Mr Fedora can complain about men in drag in a "fictional medieval setting" though =3

The difference between me wearing a fedora and men in drag is a fedora is a male garment while dresses and skirts are not. Nice job with the personal attack though.

I pointed out that this game takes place in a fictional medieval setting because that is the fundamental setting of the world. They are currently going through the industrialization era with Garlean Empire and interacting with other nations so fashion will be influenced, but you know what you still don't see? Men in drag.

[Theodric]

I'd rather see more focus on giving male characters more masculine options. Both in terms of glamour items and customisation options. The developers have outright admitted that facial hair, despite being a common request, isn't a priority for the time being. If that isn't considered to be a priority then I'd hope that development time wouldn't be sidetracked by something like this.