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    Quote Originally Posted by miraidensetsu View Post
    Or an AoE Esuna or some dispell that lets WHM remove all debuffs with a single cast. Or even ReRaise.
    Yes, those too. All of it
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    Quote Originally Posted by miraidensetsu View Post
    Or an AoE Esuna or some dispell that lets WHM remove all debuffs with a single cast.
    There would have to be more situations which warrant an aoe Esuna, most of the time it's usually single dots/debuffs on one or two allies rather than multiple. Otherwise there is no reason why parties just wouldn't take SCH instead who has access to aoe Esuna through Selene (plus this job as a whole is seeked more often anyway).

    Some kind of Raise that makes it different from all the others could be a good thing though, something unique to make it stand out... but saying that, it could be useless outside of Prog parties where death rarely occurs.
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    Not the changes I was expecting. Welcome ones, but ones that miss the mark of alleviating WHM GCD economy and clipping. As far as bandaid, quick potency/CD/cast time things, at least coulda lowered the cast time on Aero 3 to give another weaving spot maybe~ I feel like a lower CD on PoM would be beneficial at this point, too. It's not like it's used for healing in the vast majority of cases. Of course raw potencies was always an option too - if we're gonna clip and hardcast a bunch of heals, make them stronger. I don't see the problem like the developers seem to.

    I really wish they would have done ANYTHING to the 68 trait. Its existence for this long is a stain on the development team that in my mind will never be cleaned up - that they ignored it so long while making changes to other traits that were already in much better places is something I can never forget. Take off the crit requirement. Change it to benediction. Let Cure 3, medica, and medica 2 casts affect it. Anything. It'd still be bad but at least it'd do something.

    When it comes to Assize...I'm worried. Assize is a fun, powerful skill. People like it, they like hitting it. I don't blame them. But I don't like having so much tied to it, especially damage. Despite its burst healing and despite its ability to be be used on the move it's increasingly becoming a damage button that happens to have a heal attached. Things like that worry me and are part of the reason I seek buffs to things like Asylum to allow more GCDs rather than Assize. I still want Asylum at 60s to shore it up alongside how amazing CU is right now. There are other reasons I dislike more and more strength on oGCD AoE healing, but I'll save that for another time.

    C'est la vie. The PI changes and aggro changes are ridiculously late and ridiculously warranted at this point - they won't get much praise from me out of that. Meanwhile, WHM dungeon explosiveness just went up, both from more assize damage and more assize MP for more holies if the pulls warrant it. That's kinda neat I guess?
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    Last edited by Erakir; 01-08-2019 at 04:23 AM.

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    I wish they gave Assize an Enmity Reduction too, lol..

    I'm already at the cusp of pulling hate in the first minute of O10S. I will DEFINITELY pull hate now with the Assize change since I'm generating 33% more aggro with that skill right then and there.

    I have little else to add to anything else that hasn't already been discussed.
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    A minor buff to WHM, I thought it was to be a potency increase, or that was the hope. It's a good start...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    I'm already at the cusp of pulling hate in the first minute of O10S. I will DEFINITELY pull hate now with the Assize change since I'm generating 33% more aggro with that skill right then and there.
    We heard you liked Akh Morn, so we decided to change Cure 3's graphic to a sparkly white magic Akh Morn too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erakir View Post
    We heard you liked Akh Morn, so we decided to change Cure 3's graphic to a sparkly white magic Akh Morn too.
    Funny enough, I don't even Cure III there. LOL. Literally the only healing I have going out for the first minute is Regen on the MT and Medica II when the first Akh Morn is fired (my co healer takes care of the rest with Star). Normally the only other healing I do is Benediction the first Tail End since its Holmgang'd. I'm usually orange hate before this Benediction.

    My Assize's are 100% overheal that now generate 33% more hate! *Gets Tail End'd*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    Funny enough, I don't even Cure III there. LOL. Literally the only healing I have going out for the first minute is Regen on the MT and Medica II when the first Akh Morn is fired (my co healer takes care of the rest with Star). Normally the only other healing I do is Benediction the first Tail End since its Holmgang'd. I'm usually orange hate before this Benediction.

    My Assize's are 100% overheal that now generate 33% more hate! *Gets Tail End'd*
    This is pretty much what I do there, yeah, just with a SCH partner instead of AST. And depending on tank, if I don't stagger my aggro reduce, that Benediction has me pull hate and I die even without the change...
    Or at least things get chaotic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    Funny enough, I don't even Cure III there. LOL. Literally the only healing I have going out for the first minute is Regen on the MT and Medica II when the first Akh Morn is fired (my co healer takes care of the rest with Star). Normally the only other healing I do is Benediction the first Tail End since its Holmgang'd. I'm usually orange hate before this Benediction.

    My Assize's are 100% overheal that now generate 33% more hate! *Gets Tail End'd*
    My AST doesn't seem to star it like, half the time so I've been Cure 3 M2'ing for a long time. I promise you it's as fun with aggro as you can imagine without a NIN~ If I don't lucid immediately after Akh there's a 50% chance I'll have the dragon. On the plus side, rather than dumping PI after Akh I think I can hold it till earthshakers, so that's kinda neat too. Gonna play around with Cure 3, Cure 3, swift M2 when running out this week just to see if I can have a 3 stack for it. Maybe swap a Cure 3 for medica to ensure no overheal for PI stacks and...technically less snap aggro.
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    Last edited by Erakir; 01-08-2019 at 05:04 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    I wish they gave Assize an Enmity Reduction too, lol.
    Yeah I was discussing this with my static.

    Sure the enmity reductions will help in like... patch and hello word. But my opener's enmity has ironically - despite all the enmity changes - gone up, not down.

    Still, I'd happily deal with all the pre-4.5 enmity issues in exchange for some more GCD DPS and maybe some extra weaving opportunities...
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